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charliebrownout
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 Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: the Quantum Mind (Consciousness) |
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So, I stumbled across this concept while reading and I'm deeply intrigued about the possibilities.
I'm not quite sure how accepting this fits with Catholicism, but the Trinity kind of fits with it (or at least it seems as though it would...I'm still in the process of converting so I need to ask).
At any rate, I just wanted to throw this topic out there and see what others think about the Quantum Mind.
It works for me, but I'm diametrically opposed to strict materialism.
Here's a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s42mrdhKwRA
So.... what do you folks think about this?? |
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killJOY
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: the Quantum Mind (Consciousness) |
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| Quote: | | So.... what do you folks think about this?? |
BALONEY.
(you asked.)
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americandream
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: the Quantum Mind (Consciousness) |
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| charliebrownout wrote: | So, I stumbled across this concept while reading and I'm deeply intrigued about the possibilities.
I'm not quite sure how accepting this fits with Catholicism, but the Trinity kind of fits with it (or at least it seems as though it would...I'm still in the process of converting so I need to ask).
At any rate, I just wanted to throw this topic out there and see what others think about the Quantum Mind.
It works for me, but I'm diametrically opposed to strict materialism.
Here's a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s42mrdhKwRA
So.... what do you folks think about this?? |
Goswami is a nutter, in a word. He and a bunch of these whackos including one Ramtha (purportedly some being from the past...money making scam more like, I'ld say) were involved the the production of the "What the bleep..." movie. These ideas are simply the green light for self obsessed capitalist greed.
If you have any sense, you would steer well clear of these fools and inform yourself with hard material facts, unpalatable as they often are.
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jupiters_release
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:05 am Post subject: Re: the Quantum Mind (Consciousness) |
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| charliebrownout wrote: |
So.... what do you folks think about this?? |
It makes perfect sense, the collective religious experience of human history is the ultimate proof. The highest levels of science and physics support the mystical nature and unity of the universe. Expression of the principles of quantum theory is pretty much common knowledge in academic humanities, not that any formal study is requisite to understanding. It's quite sad how successful modern society has been in subverting the biggest truth of all. |
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charliebrownout
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: Re: the Quantum Mind (Consciousness) |
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| americandream wrote: | | charliebrownout wrote: | So, I stumbled across this concept while reading and I'm deeply intrigued about the possibilities.
I'm not quite sure how accepting this fits with Catholicism, but the Trinity kind of fits with it (or at least it seems as though it would...I'm still in the process of converting so I need to ask).
At any rate, I just wanted to throw this topic out there and see what others think about the Quantum Mind.
It works for me, but I'm diametrically opposed to strict materialism.
Here's a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s42mrdhKwRA
So.... what do you folks think about this?? |
Goswami is a nutter, in a word. He and a bunch of these whackos including one Ramtha (purportedly some being from the past...money making scam more like, I'ld say) were involved the the production of the "What the bleep..." movie. These ideas are simply the green light for self obsessed capitalist greed.
If you have any sense, you would steer well clear of these fools and inform yourself with hard material facts, unpalatable as they often are. |
Ramtha, okay, I wasn't aware of that. I just googled quantum consciousness and came up with that video--completely unaware that Mr. Goswami was talking to ghosties and an established member of the New Age Nutters.
I was actually thinking more along the lines of this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penrose
Not a "The Secret"-esque version of the universe. Sorry.
The notion that "I" create the universe is far too solipsistic for me. And definitely too Shirley McClaine-ish. (yuck)
I do like the notion, however, that the universe was created and for the purpose of consciousness. I also prefer the idea that the mind itself is more than the equivalent of a biological computer.
Mainly because if my brain is a computer then "I" am an illusion (and "you" are, too). It would render "me" and everyone I love "artificial intelligence" brought about by the random happenings of the universe.
This would make the whole of humanity and ME what I would call an insignificant talking rock.
I don't want to be a talking rock. That's why I'm not an atheist anymore. Dawkins and Shermer can go on through life being talking rocks if they prefer...but I'd rather be something else. |
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anagami
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MrBean
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: Re: the Quantum Mind (Consciousness) |
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The Bohmian holistic approach is much more promising than the Penrose's.
Off all the hypothesis about quantum mind around, IMO Matti Pitkanen's ToE is IT: http://www.helsinki.fi/~matpitka/ |
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jupiters_release
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: the Quantum Mind (Consciousness) |
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| americandream wrote: |
If you have any sense, you would steer well clear of these fools and inform yourself with hard material facts, unpalatable as they often are. |
"Hard material facts" sounds like a euphemism for the "stupidity hypothesis".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9aNl0J8-lo&feature=related |
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ReverseEngineer
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: Re: the Quantum Mind (Consciousness) |
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Try reading "The Tao of Physics" by Fritjof Capra. Brings together concepts in Relativistic and Quantum Physics and Eastern Philosophical ideas quite well.
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katkinkate
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: Re: the Quantum Mind (Consciousness) |
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| jupiters_release wrote: | | It makes perfect sense, the collective religious experience of human history is the ultimate proof. The highest levels of science and physics support the mystical nature and unity of the universe. |
Only in the minds of the new age woooo-meisters. You'll find precious few physicists talking about 'mystical nature and the unity of the universe'. It's a new age interpretation of otherwise materialistic science. Oh and who's religious experience in particular ... the religions differ quite a bit from each other?
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MrBean
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: Re: the Quantum Mind (Consciousness) |
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| katkinkate wrote: | | jupiters_release wrote: | | It makes perfect sense, the collective religious experience of human history is the ultimate proof. The highest levels of science and physics support the mystical nature and unity of the universe. |
Only in the minds of the new age woooo-meisters. You'll find precious few physicists talking about 'mystical nature and the unity of the universe'. It's a new age interpretation of otherwise materialistic science. Oh and who's religious experience in particular ... the religions differ quite a bit from each other? |
There can be many sociolingvistically conditioned differing interpretations of same/similar experience. Languages that we are born into are larger wholes than the individuals they include.
Reductionistic paradigm is not physics, it's laymans metaphysics. Science and philosophy is not a democracy, where stupid and stupider decide, it's about empiricism, experience.
Tell me, for example, what is "matter" at the quantum level? Not on level of classical mechanics where "matter" is 4D object measurable in 4D space by 4D measuring instruments, but in the weird math of quantum mechanics - the most tested and deepest physical theory so far? |
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MrBean
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: Re: the Quantum Mind (Consciousness) |
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Those calling quantum mind hypothesis should first tell why and on what scientific evidence they are so convinced that all the mental phenomena reduce to electro-chemical processes of classical mechanics. And why, if they are so convinced, why do they behave contrary to that belief?  |
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jupiters_release
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: Re: the Quantum Mind (Consciousness) |
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| katkinkate wrote: | | jupiters_release wrote: | | It makes perfect sense, the collective religious experience of human history is the ultimate proof. The highest levels of science and physics support the mystical nature and unity of the universe. |
Only in the minds of the new age woooo-meisters. You'll find precious few physicists talking about 'mystical nature and the unity of the universe'. It's a new age interpretation of otherwise materialistic science. Oh and who's religious experience in particular ... the religions differ quite a bit from each other? |
New age is an epithet and very much deserved for most self-prescribed as such, but we all know there's nothing new about quantum physics, Einstein didn't invent it.  The term "new" is completely irrelevant, time doesn't even exist in the realm of religion.
I like your signature, you would really like the book Secret Life Of Plants. |
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ReverseEngineer
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: Re: the Quantum Mind (Consciousness) |
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| jupiters_release wrote: | | New age is an epithet and very much deserved for most self-prescribed as such, but we all know there's nothing new about quantum physics, Einstein didn't invent it. |
Actually, Max Planck is generally credited as being the inventor of Quantum Physics. Einstein get the nod for Relativistic Physics, not Quantum Physics.
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