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| Quote: | US intel: al-Qaida may move outside Iraq
By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press
WASHINGTON - The director of national intelligence said Tuesday he is concerned that al-Qaida in Iraq is shifting its focus to attacks elsewhere in the region.
"They may deploy resources to mount attacks outside the country," Mike McConnell told a Senate hearing, although he also said that fewer than 100 terrorists have moved to establish cells in other countries.
At the same hearing, CIA Director Michael Hayden publicly confirmed for the first time the names of three suspected al-Qaida terrorists who were subjected to a particularly harsh interrogation technique known as waterboarding, and why.
"We used it against these three detainees because of the circumstances at the time," Hayden said. "There was the belief that additional catastrophic attacks against the homeland were inevitable. And we had limited knowledge about al-Qaida and its workings. Those two realities have changed."
Hayden said that Khalid Sheik Mohammed — the purported mastermind of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States — and Abu Zubayda and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri were subject to the harsh interrogations in 2002 and 2003. Waterboarding is an interrogation technique that critics call torture.
Waterboarding induces a feeling of imminent drowning with the restrained subject's mouth covered and water poured over his face.
"Waterboarding taken to its extreme, could be death, you could drown someone," McConnell acknowledged. He said waterboarding remains a technique in the CIA's arsenal, but it would require the consent of the president and legal approval of the attorney general. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080205/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_terror_threats
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: It's official: the USA tortures |
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Don't ALL third-world countries practice torture?
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: It's official: the USA tortures |
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Waterboarding is a vacation compared to what life under Hillary would have been like.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: It's official: the USA tortures |
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| I agree it's terrible, we should decapitate heads and cut off hands like the Arabs. |
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dissident
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: It's official: the USA tortures |
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Waterboarding was one of the tortures of choice for the Khmer Rouge. BBC and assorted wankers can call it "controversial" trying to fob it off as some sort of inconvenience but it is one of the most effective forms of *torture*. Here is what the USA used to do with waterboarding torturers:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170_pf.html |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: It's official: the USA tortures |
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Its also official terrorists kill Americans and others.
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jlw61
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: It's official: the USA tortures |
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| joeltrout wrote: | | Its also official terrorists kill Americans and others. |
And the US broadcasts torturous images across the airwaves in the form of American Idol, The Young and the Restless, and many more other horrible shows.
So hunt down the law-breakers, impeach/jail/fine as required, and we'll get through it ok. Oh, wait, yeah, that's right. We can't do that because we don't actually control the government, it controls us, unless we ALL stand up on our hind legs and bark. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: It's official: the USA tortures |
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| NTBKtrader wrote: | | I agree it's terrible, we should decapitate heads and cut off hands like the Arabs. |
That, actually, probably isn't as hideous to go through. |
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threadbear
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: It's official: the USA tortures |
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| joeltrout wrote: | Its also official terrorists kill Americans and others.
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It's official that this response is lacking and a torture in it's own right. |
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ccricers
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: Re: It's official: the USA tortures |
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| NTBKtrader wrote: | | I agree it's terrible, we should decapitate heads and cut off hands like the Arabs. |
Which also begs the question: What matters more in human rights record, how a country punishes their own citizens, or how they punish war prisoners? |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:25 am Post subject: Re: It's official: the USA tortures |
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| ccricers wrote: | | NTBKtrader wrote: | | I agree it's terrible, we should decapitate heads and cut off hands like the Arabs. |
Which also begs the question: What matters more in human rights record, how a country punishes their own citizens, or how they punish war prisoners? |
You ask that as though one can't be both. What if a citizen is also a war prisoner?
What difference do you see, anyway, between someone who kills someone randomly for a political goal (terrorism) versus someone who kills another person randomly or not with or without any political, economic or military goal (just murder)? It doesn't matter, IMO. They are both criminals of one of the highest degrees, regardless of citizenship.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: Re: It's official: the USA tortures |
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I don't really see a difference morally speaking. Whether it's from practicing human rights in Afghanistan, or being unlucky enough to be jumped by a robber in a deserted area, being faced with death is not justifiable.
My question was mostly aimed rhetorically at the group of people that are quick to use "golden rule" rebuttal. Where someone would argue how "backwards" Arab nations are, they are countered with a group of people that say how the US military is even more backwards Therefore implying that the US has no reason to dispute human rights in other countries if they can't fix themselves first.
To them I want to say that hypocrisy is impossible to avoid in organizations such as a national government. It is very hard for them to follow through their words and laws all the time, much less something as basic as the "golden rule".
| mekrob wrote: | | ccricers wrote: | | NTBKtrader wrote: | | I agree it's terrible, we should decapitate heads and cut off hands like the Arabs. |
Which also begs the question: What matters more in human rights record, how a country punishes their own citizens, or how they punish war prisoners? |
You ask that as though one can't be both. What if a citizen is also a war prisoner?
What difference do you see, anyway, between someone who kills someone randomly for a political goal (terrorism) versus someone who kills another person randomly or not with or without any political, economic or military goal (just murder)? It doesn't matter, IMO. They are both criminals of one of the highest degrees, regardless of citizenship. |
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shakespear1
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: Re: It's official: the USA tortures |
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It looks like someone in private industry got the idea to use waterboarding.
Fox does not lie
| Code: | | A supervisor at a motivational coaching business in Utah allegedly used waterboarding on a member of his sales team to motivate staff, according to a lawsuit filed by an employee, the Salt Lake Tribune reports. |
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