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Tanada
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 Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: THE State of Mississippi Thread |
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| jmacdaddio wrote: | | Holy crap, it seems that the effort to rebuild Mississippi after Katrina could incorporate New Urbanist ideas. The plan is not without detractors, and I'm sure the Feds will kill it once it becomes clear that Big Oil might sell fewer gallons of gasoline if people use streetcars. My favorite line in this article: The lifestyle of the American middle class poses the greatest environmental threat (or something like that). USA Today |
With a little luck maybe a few of these plans will actually be enacted. Nice catch though, I wasn't aware that anyone was even thinking of using common sense in the rebuilding plans.
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TommyJefferson
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Rebuilding Mississippi, New Urbanism Style |
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How utterly stupid.
The economy of coastal Mississippi is based on servicing oil rigs and casino gambling. The residents are blue-collar oil industry workers and low-wage service workers like bartenders, waitresses, maids, and tradesmen.
Nobody wants to ride around on a trolley with those hillbillies. Retirees want to zoom straight from Biloxi to their hotel rooms with as little exposure to service workers and humid Gulf Coast HEAT as possible.
The idea that anyone in coastal Mississippi would voluntarily walk around in that humidity and sit next to service workers on a trolley is utterly foolish.
I can see why New Urbanists use idealized paintings on old postcards to promote their agendas. That's the only place it ever worked.
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Kingcoal
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Rebuilding Mississippi, New Urbanism Style |
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The only thing I don't like about a lot of this new urbanism is that it tends to center around turning cities into tourist destinations. Baltimore's Inner Harbor comes to mind. Fels Point is much more original. Culture is culture, it can't be manufactured at will. You can plant seeds though. Plant a couple liberal arts colleges downtown with some public transit and culture will grow from the ground up. Otherwise you end up with a bunch of tourist traps.
What was wrong with the old New Orleans? A whorehouse and Jazz club on every corner. |
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TommyJefferson
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:42 am Post subject: Re: Rebuilding Mississippi, New Urbanism Style |
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| Kingcoal wrote: | | What was wrong with the old New Orleans? A whorehouse and Jazz club on every corner. |
HA! Well said. We've seen what happens when a city culture built on those industries is put under stress.
In New Urbanist artists' renderings I always look for the house where the sewage plant muckraker lives. I never see it.
Reality trumps theory.
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emersonbiggins
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:44 am Post subject: Re: Rebuilding Mississippi, New Urbanism Style |
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| TommyJefferson wrote: | In New Ubanist artist renderings I always look for the house where the sewage plant muckraker lives. I never see it.
Reality trumps theory. |
Funny, in America I always wonder how the sewage plant muckraker can afford a detached single-family home to begin with. Must be funny money.
Government trumps reality.
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emersonbiggins
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Rebuilding Mississippi, New Urbanism Style |
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| TommyJefferson wrote: | How utterly stupid.
The economy of coastal Mississippi is based on servicing oil rigs and casino gambling. The residents are blue-collar oil industry workers and low-wage service workers like bartenders, waitresses, maids, and tradesmen.
Nobody wants to ride around on a trolley with those hillbillies. Retirees want to zoom straight from Biloxi to their hotel rooms with as little exposure to service workers and humid Gulf Coast HEAT as possible.
The idea that anyone in coastal Mississippi would voluntarily walk around in that humidity and sit next to service workers on a trolley is utterly foolish.
I can see why New Urbanists use idealized paintings on old postcards to promote their agendas. That's the only place it ever worked. |
Was any of this post based on fact, or is it just uninformed conjecture?
*edit* Wow, your second sentence was actually factual... My apologies.
Take a hard look at your small town Main Streets - that's urbanism. It's not undesirable, it's just illegal to build now. "Gulf coast heat" is just a cheap cop-out for spoiled, lazy asses not to do anything about their entropic environment. Tell that to the people in Provence, southern Italy or the French Riviera, areas with like climates.
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emersonbiggins
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Rebuilding Mississippi, New Urbanism Style |
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I'll take this over what they're planning to build back otherwise.
'Redneck' New Urbanism:
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pstarr
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2006 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Rebuilding Mississippi, New Urbanism Style |
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Call it new urbanism or old urbanism or call it Frank. Who cares? Any alternative to the homogenized, strip-mall Chochkies Walmart bullshit is fine. Hello? Why do people flock to Bourbon Street? Hello? Because it doesn't look like a Costco-Borders-Bed Bath and Beyond-Bookstore. We want authenticity but are unable to create it. Imagine the frustration?
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SinisterBlueCat
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:28 pm Post subject: Mississippi outlaws sex toys |
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Nope, I'm not kidding. MSNBC
Yet another battle brewing over how much legislation should be allowed into your bedroom.
Anybody think that this kind of legislation is constitutional? What compelling societal interest is served with such legislation? Are sex toys even "immoral"? If this law stands (and I'm not even sure it's challenged yet), what other kinds of governmental intrusion will it invite?
And boys, this one is for you...
| Quote: | | And men are not permitted to be aroused in public. |
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SinisterBlueCat
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Mississippi outlaws sex toys |
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The law is described as:
Quote: A person commits the offense of distributing unlawful sexual devices when he knowingly sells, advertises, publishes or exhibits to any person any three-dimensional device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs or offers to do so or possesses such devices with the intent to do so.
My favorite findings of this law:
Law: "or possesses such devices with the intent to do so"
Meaning: You can have a dildo, as long as you don't ever think about actually using it. Sounds like thought crime to me. 1984 anyone? |
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Jake
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Mississippi outlaws sex toys |
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| Quote: | | And men are not permitted to be aroused in public. |
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PrairieMule
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Mississippi outlaws sex toys |
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Right now there are caravans allong on I-10 West, and the dirty ol' men sing:
Georgia......georgia..........the whole day through
Just an old sweet song.....keeps georgia on my mind
I said now, georgia.....georgia......a song of you
Comes as sweet and clear.....as moonlight through the pines
Other arms reach out to me.......other eyes smile tenderly
Still in peaceful dreams I see.......the road leads back to you
I said, georgia........ georgia......... no peace I find
Just an old sweet song........keeps georgia on my mind
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Mississippi outlaws sex toys |
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| SinisterBlueCat wrote: | Nope, I'm not kidding. MSNBC
Yet another battle brewing over how much legislation should be allowed into your bedroom.
Anybody think that this kind of legislation is constitutional? What compelling societal interest is served with such legislation? Are sex toys even "immoral"? If this law stands (and I'm not even sure it's challenged yet), what other kinds of governmental intrusion will it invite?
And boys, this one is for you...
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Damn, put me in jail now. I'm aroused at least 16 times a day while out in public.
It only gets worse when I get home to the sexy Red Snapper too.....
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Dreamtwister
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Mississippi outlaws sex toys |
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Is this nonsense even enforceable?
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SinisterBlueCat
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Mississippi outlaws sex toys |
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| Dreamtwister wrote: | | Is this nonsense even enforceable? |
well I do not know, but I could see it playing out in a big way in divorce court. |
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