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Plantagenet Expert


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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The Russian Lukoil company has cut off oil deliveries to Germany in a pricing dispute
Russians cut off oil to Germany
Good timing too, doing it in February. |
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Ebyss Intermediate Crude


Joined: Mar 20, 2005 Posts: 907 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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Hmmm.. I think Russia are playing their hand too early. They would have been better off waiting until they *really* had Europe by the balls and then squeezed... but whatever. Hopefully the EU will see what Russia is up to and push for more energy independance (via renewables - well, I can always dream, can't I?). _________________ We've tried nothin' and we're all out of ideas.
I am only one. I can only do what one can do. But what one can do, I will do. -- John Seymour. |
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EnergyUnlimited Fusion


Joined: May 15, 2006 Posts: 3109
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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I think, at this point it is nothing very important.
They will come to an agreement soon and deliveries will restart.
It is only about price of oil (money), not about Russian blackmail or something alike. |
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seahorse Expert


Joined: Oct 15, 2004 Posts: 2189 Location: Arkansas
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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| Maybe this is the first salvo of their response to Kosovo's declaration of independence? |
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Tyler_JC Moderator

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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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| seahorse wrote: | | Maybe this is the first salvo of their response to Kosovo's declaration of independence? |
I had the exact same thought.
Hopefully this pushes Europe towards renewable sources that don't rely on abrasive dictators like Putin. _________________ "www.peakoil.com is the Myspace of the Apocalypse." |
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gnm Expert


Joined: Jul 08, 2004 Posts: 2644 Location: plundering eco-villages
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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Well being that Europe uses more total oil than the US it should be interesting to see all that infrastructure converted to alternative energy. I'm sure the threat of all of Europe converting to renewable energy has the Russians fearing for their pocketbooks!
/sarcasm
-G _________________ All right, you primitive screw-heads, listen up! |
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evilgenius Intermediate Crude


Joined: Dec 06, 2005 Posts: 848 Location: Stopped at the border.
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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There is a lot of room in Northern France, where it is windy as hell, for many more wind turbines. They have some now but they could have so many more. Right now you see them in little groups of three to five or six. Imagine them as a solid hedge on the horizon. Yes, I know it would be ugly, but not as ugly as freezing in winter or not being able to ride the electrified rail system. There is a very real counter poise that exists to Russian energy bullying, it is the ability of the EU to respond as a whole and not as individual member entities. _________________ "Hope encourages men to take risks; men in a strong position may follow her without ruin, if not without loss. But when they stake all that they have to the last coin (for she is a spendthrift), she reveals her real self in the hour of failure." |
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Concerned Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Sep 23, 2004 Posts: 1531
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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| Tyler_JC wrote: | | seahorse wrote: | | Maybe this is the first salvo of their response to Kosovo's declaration of independence? |
I had the exact same thought.
Hopefully this pushes Europe towards renewable sources that don't rely on abrasive dictators like Putin. |
Terrible thing those dictators that have 70+ percent support and keep getting swept into power.
Don't the Russians know how democracy is supposed to work? Vote in your Yeltsin and let him firesale the countries assets then you have a win not only for democracy but "free markets" *wink* also.
Those dictators wanting to keep the money and resources local outrageous, time to put up some solar panels and wind turbines. _________________ "Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box."
-Italian Proverb |
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davep Expert


Joined: Jun 21, 2006 Posts: 1244 Location: Europe
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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| evilgenius wrote: | | There is a lot of room in Northern France, where it is windy as hell, for many more wind turbines. They have some now but they could have so many more. Right now you see them in little groups of three to five or six. Imagine them as a solid hedge on the horizon. Yes, I know it would be ugly, but not as ugly as freezing in winter or not being able to ride the electrified rail system. There is a very real counter poise that exists to Russian energy bullying, it is the ability of the EU to respond as a whole and not as individual member entities. |
France already has excess electrical production from its nuclear installations that it sells to neighbouring countries (such as Italy, Channel Islands etc). I'm not sure what percentage of French electrical production is from natural gas, but it's probably less than 10%. _________________ All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become. - Buddha |
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americandream Light Sweet Crude

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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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| Ebyss wrote: | | Hmmm.. I think Russia are playing their hand too early. They would have been better off waiting until they *really* had Europe by the balls and then squeezed... but whatever. Hopefully the EU will see what Russia is up to and push for more energy independance (via renewables - well, I can always dream, can't I?). |
You might want to unite Ireland before you start these absurd dreams. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate! |
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americandream Light Sweet Crude

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Joined: Oct 18, 2004 Posts: 1914 Location: kiwibush
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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| Tyler_JC wrote: | | seahorse wrote: | | Maybe this is the first salvo of their response to Kosovo's declaration of independence? |
I had the exact same thought.
Hopefully this pushes Europe towards renewable sources that don't rely on abrasive dictators like Putin. |
Does anyone recollect a long standing and vindictive embargo somewhere in the Caribbean? I think it's somewhere in the vicinity of Cuba. Heck never mind..as Tyler so rightly points out, these abrasive upstarts are a fact of life. We've got to make sure we aren't reliant on them! _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate! |
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seahorse2 Expert


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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| TireFire wrote: | So they shutdown 520,000 tonnes of oil delivery and the world in Germany keeps turning.
Strange. Could it be peakoil is just a bunch of bull?
hmmm..... |
Yes, PO is a bunch of bull, so quit wasting your time on this site. Nothing to see, so move along. Go watch Fox News. |
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 5856 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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The Lukoil cutoff amounts to a loss of about 25% of the oil Germany receives from Russia.
Oil from other Russian sources continues to flow to Germany.....so far.  |
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Ebyss Intermediate Crude


Joined: Mar 20, 2005 Posts: 907 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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| americandream wrote: |
You might want to unite Ireland before you start these absurd dreams. |
I'll get right on it!
Just out of interest, what has a united Ireland got to do with the EU pushing for renewable energy as a response to a potential (and very likely) Russian monopoly on gas? Or were you just trying to show off how smart you are and how you *know things*? Given that the EU has been steaming ahead, since it's inception, with all sorts of rules, regulations and economic reforms while Ireland has been divided the entire time, I'd say the current situation in Ulster has had little to no impact. _________________ We've tried nothin' and we're all out of ideas.
I am only one. I can only do what one can do. But what one can do, I will do. -- John Seymour. |
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americandream Light Sweet Crude

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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany |
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| Ebyss wrote: | | americandream wrote: |
You might want to unite Ireland before you start these absurd dreams. |
I'll get right on it!
Just out of interest, what has a united Ireland got to do with the EU pushing for renewable energy as a response to a potential (and very likely) Russian monopoly on gas? Or were you just trying to show off how smart you are and how you *know things*? Given that the EU has been steaming ahead, since it's inception, with all sorts of rules, regulations and economic reforms while Ireland has been divided the entire time, I'd say the current situation in Ulster has had little to no impact. |
You've become an arrogant little leprechaun haven't you, since you teamed up with Germany and France. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate! |
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