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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:55 am    Post subject: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The Russian Lukoil company has cut off oil deliveries to Germany in a pricing dispute

Russians cut off oil to Germany

Good timing too, doing it in February.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:05 am    Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hmmm.. I think Russia are playing their hand too early. They would have been better off waiting until they *really* had Europe by the balls and then squeezed... but whatever. Hopefully the EU will see what Russia is up to and push for more energy independance (via renewables - well, I can always dream, can't I?).
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I think, at this point it is nothing very important.
They will come to an agreement soon and deliveries will restart.
It is only about price of oil (money), not about Russian blackmail or something alike.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Maybe this is the first salvo of their response to Kosovo's declaration of independence?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Maybe this is the first salvo of their response to Kosovo's declaration of independence?


I had the exact same thought.

Hopefully this pushes Europe towards renewable sources that don't rely on abrasive dictators like Putin.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Well being that Europe uses more total oil than the US it should be interesting to see all that infrastructure converted to alternative energy. I'm sure the threat of all of Europe converting to renewable energy has the Russians fearing for their pocketbooks!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There is a lot of room in Northern France, where it is windy as hell, for many more wind turbines. They have some now but they could have so many more. Right now you see them in little groups of three to five or six. Imagine them as a solid hedge on the horizon. Yes, I know it would be ugly, but not as ugly as freezing in winter or not being able to ride the electrified rail system. There is a very real counter poise that exists to Russian energy bullying, it is the ability of the EU to respond as a whole and not as individual member entities.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tyler_JC wrote:
seahorse wrote:
Maybe this is the first salvo of their response to Kosovo's declaration of independence?


I had the exact same thought.

Hopefully this pushes Europe towards renewable sources that don't rely on abrasive dictators like Putin.


Terrible thing those dictators that have 70+ percent support and keep getting swept into power.

Don't the Russians know how democracy is supposed to work? Vote in your Yeltsin and let him firesale the countries assets then you have a win not only for democracy but "free markets" *wink* also.

Those dictators wanting to keep the money and resources local outrageous, time to put up some solar panels and wind turbines.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

evilgenius wrote:
There is a lot of room in Northern France, where it is windy as hell, for many more wind turbines. They have some now but they could have so many more. Right now you see them in little groups of three to five or six. Imagine them as a solid hedge on the horizon. Yes, I know it would be ugly, but not as ugly as freezing in winter or not being able to ride the electrified rail system. There is a very real counter poise that exists to Russian energy bullying, it is the ability of the EU to respond as a whole and not as individual member entities.


France already has excess electrical production from its nuclear installations that it sells to neighbouring countries (such as Italy, Channel Islands etc). I'm not sure what percentage of French electrical production is from natural gas, but it's probably less than 10%.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ebyss wrote:
Hmmm.. I think Russia are playing their hand too early. They would have been better off waiting until they *really* had Europe by the balls and then squeezed... but whatever. Hopefully the EU will see what Russia is up to and push for more energy independance (via renewables - well, I can always dream, can't I?).


You might want to unite Ireland before you start these absurd dreams.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Tyler_JC wrote:
seahorse wrote:
Maybe this is the first salvo of their response to Kosovo's declaration of independence?


I had the exact same thought.

Hopefully this pushes Europe towards renewable sources that don't rely on abrasive dictators like Putin.


Does anyone recollect a long standing and vindictive embargo somewhere in the Caribbean? I think it's somewhere in the vicinity of Cuba. Heck never mind..as Tyler so rightly points out, these abrasive upstarts are a fact of life. We've got to make sure we aren't reliant on them!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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So they shutdown 520,000 tonnes of oil delivery and the world in Germany keeps turning.

Strange. Could it be peakoil is just a bunch of bull?

hmmm.....


Yes, PO is a bunch of bull, so quit wasting your time on this site. Nothing to see, so move along. Go watch Fox News.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

The Lukoil cutoff amounts to a loss of about 25% of the oil Germany receives from Russia.

Oil from other Russian sources continues to flow to Germany.....so far. argue
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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You might want to unite Ireland before you start these absurd dreams.


I'll get right on it!

Just out of interest, what has a united Ireland got to do with the EU pushing for renewable energy as a response to a potential (and very likely) Russian monopoly on gas? Or were you just trying to show off how smart you are and how you *know things*? Given that the EU has been steaming ahead, since it's inception, with all sorts of rules, regulations and economic reforms while Ireland has been divided the entire time, I'd say the current situation in Ulster has had little to no impact.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Russians cut off oil deliveries to Germany Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Ebyss wrote:
americandream wrote:


You might want to unite Ireland before you start these absurd dreams.


I'll get right on it!

Just out of interest, what has a united Ireland got to do with the EU pushing for renewable energy as a response to a potential (and very likely) Russian monopoly on gas? Or were you just trying to show off how smart you are and how you *know things*? Given that the EU has been steaming ahead, since it's inception, with all sorts of rules, regulations and economic reforms while Ireland has been divided the entire time, I'd say the current situation in Ulster has had little to no impact.


You've become an arrogant little leprechaun haven't you, since you teamed up with Germany and France.
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