New Catton Vid...49 minutes

Roccland · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 1647

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Roccland · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 1647

I agree with Catton:

all advertising should be banned.
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Roccland · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 1647

Bump because Catton is one coll mo fo.
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FreedomSlave · Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: New Catton Vid...49 minutes

Roccland · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 1647

Revi · Fusion Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Posts: 3235 Location: Maine

Great video. I like Catton's attitude. He's right. All we really have is the right now, so enjoy being alive on the planet right now.

Live one day at a time.

Here's an exerpt from the book, Last Lecture:

http://www.hyperionbooks.com/viewer/exviewer_LL.htm

What do we want to do before we die?

Live.
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Roccland · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 1647

jedinvest · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: Re: New Catton Vid...49 minutes

I imaged Catton to be a bit like Kerkorian, the facilitator of euthanasia, but the guy is actually cheerful considering his message (sort of like 'live now, for we will [all] die later').

I really like that he got the motivation for his ideas on his "ecological basis treatise" from his camping trips near Seattle, Washington. Now that I am PO and DO aware, I appreciate the camping trips and being close to nature more than ever.

joewp · Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject: Re: New Catton Vid...49 minutes

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Narz · Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: New Catton Vid...49 minutes

Thanks Roccland, he's a likable man & expresses himself clearly (without all the flaming & moral browbeating like his fanboy Monte). I'd like to repost it but does anyone have any information (ideally contained in a webpage not his book) concerning where he got his data from on just what human carrying capacity is?

Without that his message is likely to simply run up against denial. Well it will anyway among 90%+ plus but without evidence to pack him up the remaining 10% will be less receptive.

I'm curious also as to his thoughts on potential energy sources not yet discovered. Mathus's math was off because he couldn't possibly have predicted coal & oil. Likewise it is possible (though I certainly won't say it's probable) that there are major energy sources Catton is not considering (perhaps because humans are not yet aware of them).

Also, while some ecological damage cannot be undone, it is certainly possible for land to be restored (usually on a small scale) when a concerted effort is made to heal it (like thru permaculture or biodynamics). The main problem in my mind is that, in this situation, people don't seem to have enough motavation to learn to swim (to use an analogy) and probably won't until the floods are all around them & it will be too late.

Nevertheless, most would agree that some will make it through the bottleneck. I'm reluctant to simply spread the message that "we're doomed, so we might as well play cards, shoot the sh!t, drink cheap importer beer & make love" & honestly, if Catton was a younger man today I think he'd be more focused on solutions himself.

A know "solutions" is a dirty word for many of you so substitute the word mitigation and/or personal survival if you like.
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lionstones · Tar Sands Joined: Apr 03, 2008 Posts: 32

Nice find bro...

Narz · Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: Re: New Catton Vid...49 minutes

bump!

Any more info on Catton or sites explaining his basis for claiming we are definitively in overshoot? (not links to segments of his book in Google but a summery of his data).
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Roccland · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Jun 16, 2007 Posts: 1647

burtonridr · Intermediate Crude Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 761

Wow great find Rocc.
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