Hoarding is exactly what the government is doing right now by filling the SPR, and frankly it's the best thing that could happen. It drives prices up. High prices encourage demand destruction. They also finance new well development. The hoarded oil gives us a buffer to fall back on once shortages become more prevalent. High prices are what we need in order to adapt to what's coming, and the sooner they happen, the better.
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
i'm a long-time lurker as a guest - this is my first post.
have a question -- have any of you lost (or given up on)significant relationships/marriages over peak oil?
if so - why? what happened?
G_S _________________ Oh, a storm is threatning
My very life today
If I dont get some shelter
Oh yeah, Im gonna fade away
(Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter)
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
No, but the requirement for any potential partner of mine to understand peak oil, and want to do as much as possible to prepare for it rules out 99.9999% or so of all women around my age.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:06 am Post subject: Re: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
auscanman wrote:
No, but the requirement for any potential partner of mine to understand peak oil, and want to do as much as possible to prepare for it rules out 99.9999% or so of all women around my age.
Know what you mean auscan. Kinda bleak ain't it? _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate!
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
auscanman wrote:
No, but the requirement for any potential partner of mine to understand peak oil, and want to do as much as possible to prepare for it rules out 99.9999% or so of all women around my age.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
Gimme_Shelter wrote:
have a question -- have any of you lost (or given up on)significant relationships/marriages over peak oil?
I had a relationship that was ended indirectly because over Peak Oil. My girlfriend told me that she couldn't be with someone who wasn't optimistic about the future. She told me that optimism is an essential requirement for somebody to function well and have a promising career, and since I worried about Peak Oil that meant I wasn't optimistic enough to make it in the corporate world (we met as colleagues).
I was for a moment very upset about this, because essentially my Peak Oil awareness had placed me outside of 'the group' and apparently my career was even at risk. That was a few years ago. Since that time I have gotten married to someone else and I am happy about it. I also made a big promotion at work, so pessimism doesn't mean you can't have a carreer per se.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
Narz wrote:
auscanman wrote:
No, but the requirement for any potential partner of mine to understand peak oil, and want to do as much as possible to prepare for it rules out 99.9999% or so of all women around my age.
Why do you say that?
Auscanman has a point. Most women (that I know) require that a potential mate conforms well with popular 'opinion' and who likes the status quo. Women seem to be afraid of men who are non-conformers. The reason must be evolutionary I think. In history, men that have rallied around the common cause (even 'bad' causes such as robber-bandit capitalism) have done better as providers than men that have challenged popular views. Women only want one thing, and that is security, and security in their mind = subscribing to popular opinion and not thinking too much, which is a waste of time and of opportunities.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: Re: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
I think if your marriage fails over peak oil then I believe the marriage would have failed anyway.
A subject like this may bring problems to the fore but those problems were simmering away anyway, disguised by the current lifestyle of living like lords.
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: Re: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
Good topic....my wife was Peak Oil aware before I even met her (growing up in a third world country). Her posture has always been for us to be prepared, but Americans won't believe it until it happens to them, because they are stupid. Harsh words, but true.
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
This has not happened to me. However, like with any other 'basic tenet', I can see where peak oil 'stuff' (the attitude of making serious preparations, backing off from gross consumerism, etc) could create a real rift if one partner was marching to that drummer and one was not.
Even in my marriage -- with both of us being total believers -- there is some strain caused by peak oil. It has to do with personal approaches. I am the pragmatist who sees the problem, wants to work out the solution, then move forward. He is the much more inclined to expend energy worrying about what will be coming.
We all only have so much energy. I am not saying that I don't worry -- but the more energy one expends worrying, the less energy one expends "doing" (preparing, etc.)
This is a source of frustration -- and it would probably not exist to the degree that it does if I (and he, too) did not see the reality of peak oil, and the urgency for change. It's just the difference in responses that cause a problem.
Still - how could a PO person who REALLY believed be in a solid relationship with a person who wanted to buy bigger cars, couldn't stand the idea of getting dirty by growing one's own veggies, etc. (Those are examples -- you get the idea.)
Lumpy _________________ "Run when you can, walk when you have to, crawl if you must; just never give up."
-- Dean Karnazes, runner and author of Ultramarathon Man
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Re: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
Lumpy wrote:
Even in my marriage -- with both of us being total believers -- there is some strain caused by peak oil. It has to do with personal approaches. I am the pragmatist who sees the problem, wants to work out the solution, then move forward. He is the much more inclined to expend energy worrying about what will be coming.
We all only have so much energy. I am not saying that I don't worry -- but the more energy one expends worrying, the less energy one expends "doing" (preparing, etc.)
I have about the same situation as you, only I am the man in this case. I think I know what your man's problem is. It is the fact that there is very little for people to really do about the peak oil problem. Of course: you can save money and cut down on energy use, sure, but the fact is we still don't know enough about how the world will decisively react to peak oil - the macroscopic consequences and fallout are still difficult to predict. So until one knows more about that, the major preparedness changes like perhaps moving somewhere else or getting a different job still require extensive 'thinking about the problem' or 'worrying' in other words. No?
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
Gimme_Shelter wrote:
i'm a long-time lurker as a guest - this is my first post.
have a question -- have any of you lost (or given up on)significant relationships/marriages over peak oil?
if so - why? what happened?
G_S
I don't think so, but i do need to keep my mouth shut on dates. I'm divorced (had nothing to do with PO) so I go out occasionally and the topic of my interest in energy matters usually gets discussed at some point. But, for instance one of my dates recently was joking that I must think poorly of her because she drives a GMC Yukon (she received it in her divorce). I suprised her by saying not really, and proceeded to rant about Jevons and such. Not great date conversation!
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
JJ wrote:
Good topic....my wife was Peak Oil aware before I even met her (growing up in a third world country). Her posture has always been for us to be prepared, but Americans won't believe it until it happens to them, because they are stupid. Harsh words, but true.
Wow, quite the generalization. I think you have at least demonstrated that _YOU_ are stupid.
-G _________________ All right, you primitive screw-heads, listen up!
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
Well, my wife was used to having a well-paid husband, while she looked after our daughter and spent my money.
Then I told her I had quit my job and we were moving to the country. This went down like a lead balloon for some reason.
However, despite all her threats, here we are in the country, I'm finishing my farming placement this week, to become a recognised farmer (i.e. to buy more land).
She would enjoy it if it weren't for the financial insecurity. I've sorted that by getting a well-paid job again. So, hopefully we're in the best of all worlds.
After this smug little post, she'll probably leave me tomorrow. _________________ All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become. - Buddha
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
Nano wrote:
Auscanman has a point. Most women (that I know) require that a potential mate conforms well with popular 'opinion' and who likes the status quo. Women seem to be afraid of men who are non-conformers.
.
Martin Luther King and Charlie Manson both went against popular opinion . . . and both had no trouble whatsoever with the ladies.
Of course, MLK ended up dead at 39 and CM was a serial killer so maybe those aren't the best examples . . .
(But I do get your point)
FWIW, I went to the Solar Living conference last year, plenty of hotties there who are into the stuff like gardening and getting independent from the grid. Sure, they may not bathe regularly but once TSHTF I don't think that's going to matter all too much. _________________ http://www.peakoil.org
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Lost a relationship or marriage over peak oil?
gnm wrote:
JJ wrote:
Good topic....my wife was Peak Oil aware before I even met her (growing up in a third world country). Her posture has always been for us to be prepared, but Americans won't believe it until it happens to them, because they are stupid. Harsh words, but true.
Wow, quite the generalization. I think you have at least demonstrated that _YOU_ are stupid.
-G
yes, no doubt I am.
Gideon said I'm an a@@hole father....we may have a trend here....
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