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AlexdeLarge Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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God Bless our Men and Women in Uniform! Those who protect our freedom know who to trust!!!!
Military Poll : Massive support for McCain _________________ Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well. |
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 5846 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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That poll was for commander-in-chief. Obama is clearly unqualified for that job.
So lets be fair to Obama here. I bet if they took a poll on who'd they'd select to play on a pick-up basketball team, Obama would come out ahead of McCain. |
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americandream Light Sweet Crude

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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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I'm sure if they polled Saudi Arabian troops, the overwhelming majority would prefer Osama bin Laden at the helm. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate! |
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WyoDutch Tar Sands


Joined: May 24, 2008 Posts: 91 Location: Park County, Wyoming
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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| Not that I think a "military" voters' opinion is worth any more than say... that of a boilermaker or pipefitter... But having said that, McCain is their (military) second choice... When Ron Paul was in the race, he was the favorite. |
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americandream Light Sweet Crude

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Joined: Oct 18, 2004 Posts: 1909 Location: kiwibush
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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| WyoDutch wrote: | | Not that I think a "military" voters' opinion is worth any more than say... that of a boilermaker or pipefitter... But having said that, McCain is their (military) second choice... When Ron Paul was in the race, he was the favorite. |
All government agencies funded by taxpayers money must be neutral if these democratic pretensions of the bourgeoisie are worth the toilet paper they're written on. If they're being used to push one or the other agenda, yeah........ _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate! |
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lawnchair Intermediate Crude


Joined: Oct 20, 2004 Posts: 762
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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| Quote: | | The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services. |
There is a pretty big difference between the upper ranks who appreciate the combat time as a chance to show off and (at least in the AF) learn which churches you have to join to get promoted and the grunts who have are younger, poorer, and more minority (three big Obama demographics) and know perfectly well that they have gay platoon and shipmates. _________________ At 1% annual growth, human bodies will incorporate every gram in the observable universe in approximately 10,170 years. |
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dinopello Fission


Joined: May 13, 2005 Posts: 2832 Location: The Urban Village
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: Re: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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The methodology wasn't exactly (or even approximately) scientific.
The "Military Times" series of pubs - Air Force Times, Army Times etc it should be noted are not government publications but owned by Gannett family (USA Today etc). Robert Gannett is a staunch republican and supported John McCain for president in 2000 and in throughout the most recent primary. |
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americandream Light Sweet Crude

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Joined: Oct 18, 2004 Posts: 1909 Location: kiwibush
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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| dinopello wrote: | The methodology wasn't exactly (or even approximately) scientific.
The "Military Times" series of pubs - Air Force Times, Army Times etc it should be noted are not government publications but owned by Gannett family (USA Today etc). Robert Gannett is a staunch republican and supported John McCain for president in 2000 and in throughout the most recent primary. |
Thanks for that dino. The army is a neutral agency in a democracy and I was rather surprised to see it involved in this hogwash.
I can handle a soldier having his own personal beliefs, but as a body of tax paid civil servants, the army does not enjoy that privilege. Well not unless there has been a silent coup which as far as I am aware is not the case in the US. _________________ Bugger me, I hear oil's runnin out mate! |
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Zel Coal


Joined: Jun 22, 2008 Posts: 18
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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| My ex is enlisted military and he hasn't met anyone yet who supports McCain. Also, while in uniform, they are not allowed to publicly express a political opinion. Just saying. |
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Ferretlover Moderator


Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3578 Location: Minniesotuh
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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HHHmmm... How do we know that the poll was done in a neutral manner, the scores were accurately recorded and that the results were accurately reported? _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto |
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Heineken Expert


Joined: Sep 14, 2004 Posts: 6426 Location: Rural Virginia
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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Why is this "news"?
Troops are more likely to keep their jobs under McCain---waging endless war WE CANNOT AFFORD. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog
"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
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Aimrehtopyh Moderator


Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 364 Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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The very few active duty military men I talk to these days are propaganda victims pure and simple. Smart, principled men who have just been flooded with misinformation, veiled racism and religion-flavored nationalism.
This is to be expected. Nobody wants a trigger finger that thinks for itself. _________________ "He who makes no mistakes isn't trying hard enough" Genghis Khan
"Everyone here is bribed not to kill each other." foodnotlawns
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jbrovont Intermediate Crude


Joined: Jun 16, 2006 Posts: 634
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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The rate of suicide among vetrans of Iraq and Afghanistan is now larger than all of the rest of the population of The United States.
Alex mentioned the support of McCain among troops, and someone else brought up the way troops are subjected to psychological break-down techniques designed to promote loyalty. You can easily google studies showing hightened depression and other forms of dystopia among returning soldiers.
I haven't seen any specific side-by-sides of these symptoms, but they're not unlike people who are ejected or removed from a cult without deprogramming psychotherapy.
Food for thought.
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It found that veterans were more than twice as likely to commit suicide in 2005 than non-vets. (Veterans committed suicide at the rate of between 18.7 to 20.8 per 100,000, compared to other Americans, who did so at the rate of 8.9 per 100,000.)
One age group stood out. Veterans aged 20 through 24, those who have served during the war on terror. They had the highest suicide rate among all veterans, estimated between two and four times higher than civilians the same age. (The suicide rate for non-veterans is 8.3 per 100,000, while the rate for veterans was found to be between 22.9 and 31.9 per 100,000.) |
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 5846 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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| jbrovont wrote: | The rate of suicide among vetrans of Iraq and Afghanistan is now larger than all of the rest of the population of The United States.
Alex mentioned the support of McCain among troops, and someone else brought up the way troops are subjected to psychological break-down techniques designed to promote loyalty. You can easily google studies showing hightened depression and other forms of dystopia among returning soldiers.
I haven't seen any specific side-by-sides of these symptoms, but they're not unlike people who are ejected or removed from a cult without deprogramming psychotherapy.
Food for thought.
Linky
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It found that veterans were more than twice as likely to commit suicide in 2005 than non-vets. (Veterans committed suicide at the rate of between 18.7 to 20.8 per 100,000, compared to other Americans, who did so at the rate of 8.9 per 100,000.)
One age group stood out. Veterans aged 20 through 24, those who have served during the war on terror. They had the highest suicide rate among all veterans, estimated between two and four times higher than civilians the same age. (The suicide rate for non-veterans is 8.3 per 100,000, while the rate for veterans was found to be between 22.9 and 31.9 per 100,000.) |
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It has to be hard to be a vet in a society where half the people are going to vote for a man who won't even admit acknowledge the great progress in Iraq won by sacrifices of the US military during the surge |
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jbrovont Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain |
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I strongly suspect it has to do with having killed people, and seen people dying on a personal level. Humans have a natural aversion to killing, and on top of that, our society places a value on life. A soldier is programmed to overcome this, but outside of the military strucutre and stress situation, they become free to reflect on their actions. Add to that the doubt cast on whether the US should even have troops there, or if we should have gone there, and that's a huge emotional burdon - to have killed for reasons that are not clear or understood.
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It has to be hard to be a vet in a society where half the people are going to vote for a man who won't even admit acknowledge the great progress in Iraq won by sacrifices of the US military during the surge |
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