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Aaron 800 lb Gorilla

Joined: Apr 15, 2004 Posts: 6473 Location: Houston
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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Mainstream?
What does mainstream mean anyway?
From wikipedia:
Mass media is a term used to denote a section of the media specifically envisioned and designed to reach a very large audience such as the population of a nation state. It was coined in the 1920s with the advent of nationwide radio networks, mass-circulation newspapers and magazines, although mass media was present centuries before the term became common. The term public media has a similar meaning: it is the sum of the public mass distributors of news and entertainment across mediums such as newspapers, television, radio, broadcasting, which require union membership in large markets such as Newspaper Guild and AFTRA, & text publishers. The concept of mass media is complicated in some internet media as now individuals have a means of potential exposure on a scale comparable to what was previously restricted to select group of mass media producers. These internet media can include television, personal web pages, podcasts and blogs.
The communications audience has been viewed by some commentators as forming a mass society with special characteristics, notably atomization or lack of social connections, which render it especially susceptible to the influence of modern mass-media techniques such as advertising and propaganda. The term "MSM" or "mainstream media" has been widely used in the blogosphere in discussion of the mass media and media bias.
From Money Week:
Matt Drudge has just taken Peak Oil mainstream.
Up until today, you could randomly ask 10 people on the street what “Peak Oil” is and you’d get a blank stare from at least nine of them. I’d wager that as of yesterday, Drudge himself would have been among that vast majority.
Up until today, the idea that there’s only a finite amount of oil in the world that can be recovered, and that once you reach the halfway point there begins an irreversible decline, simply hasn’t been in most people’s awareness.
Of course, geologists and oil industry insiders have been familiar with it. Whiskey & Gunpowder readers are certainly familiar with it. And so is a subset of Lexus liberals who like Peak Oil because it dovetails nicely with their Malthusian and anti-capitalist worldview.
But all of a sudden, awareness of Peak Oil is spreading exponentially. It started today, and will only grow from here.
Publishing about Peak Oil:
wikipedia
Scientific American
Wall Street Journal
CBC
Telegraph
National Geographic
World Oil
US Army
Forbes
Shell Oil
Washington Monthly
New York times
CNN
MoneyWeek
Popular Mechanics
MSNBC
USA Today
Financial Sense
Christian Science Monitor
Huffington Post
Exxon
So... has Peak oil gone mainstream?
Ummm... yeah... it has.
'Nuff said.
source _________________ "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F Roberts.
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dukey Fission


Joined: Feb 20, 2005 Posts: 2063
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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i heard it mentioned on the radio today
but of course it was all the fault of the evil speculators
because clearly they are responsible for the rise from $10/barrel in 1999 to $125/b now  |
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wisconsin_cur Moderator


Joined: May 10, 2007 Posts: 3211
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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In short "yes" the idea has gone mainstream but the consequences (whatever you think they are) have not. _________________ “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.”
J.R.R. Tolkien |
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sciencegirl Heavy Crude


Joined: Jul 17, 2006 Posts: 305
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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I live in Edmonton, Alberta and yesterday I saw this homemade flag hanging in a downtown construction area ranting about peak oil. It gave the classical definition of what peak oil is, then it went on to say that life will be very different in 5 years. I have been reading about peak oil for about 3 years now and I am seeing more awareness and media coverage of peak oil within the last 6 months. I would say that it has gone mainstream. _________________ We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. Your culture will adapt to service ours. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. |
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sciencegirl Heavy Crude


Joined: Jul 17, 2006 Posts: 305
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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Why is it saying posted Tue may 13, when it is only Monday May 12 ??? _________________ We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. Your culture will adapt to service ours. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. |
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kpeavey Expert


Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 1313
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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wiconson_cur wrote: | Quote: | | In short "yes" the idea has gone mainstream but the consequences (whatever you think they are) have not. |
Heating oil crisis in NE US
SUV and truck plants shut down
Airline closures and mergers
Housing bubble collapse
Banking crises
Food riots worldwide
Food price spikes
Blackouts
Military activity
-Middle East
-Chinese arms build up
-Huge May Day parade in Red Square
-Columbia/Venezuela
-Nigerian Rebels
-Activation of the US 4th Fleet
Oil price rise 10x in 9 years
Fertilizer price spikes
Commuters flocking to mass transit
Commodity price spikes
Cities declaring bankruptcy
Layoffs
Metals price spikes
Precious metals price spikes
Tightening credit market
Recession news
Depression talk
Inflation
Bicycle sales spike
Climate change
Fresh water shortages
Hybrid vehicle sales spikes
Gasoline siphoning crime spikes
The consequences have gone mainstream. All that remains is linking the problems with a common cause. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
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Accept the Facts. |
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cube Fusion

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Joined: Mar 12, 2005 Posts: 3775
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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When Matt Simmons gets invited to talk on the Oprah Winfrey Show then I'll consider it mainstream.  |
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benzoil Heavy Crude


Joined: Aug 26, 2005 Posts: 446 Location: Windy City No Longer
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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| cube wrote: | When Matt Simmons gets invited to talk on the Oprah Winfrey Show then I'll consider it mainstream.  |
As if. She'd never invite Matt Simmons on. Maybe if George Clooney or Cameron Diaz adopt it as a cause then Oprah will talk to them about PO. Then, she'll give out solar cookers to the entire audience. Or maybe they'll all get a roll of R-60 attic blanket insulation under their seats... _________________ TANSTAAFL |
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Ferretlover Moderator


Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3855 Location: Minniesotuh
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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Not only is it gaining mainstream momentum, it is already being reported in a "old news" kinda way:
As fuel prices surge, bike business rolls along
Shops see marked increase in sales, repairs those who pedal to work
BISMARCK, N.D. - Four-dollar-a-gallon gas is good for business — if you run a bike shop.
Commuters around the country are dusting off their old two-wheelers — or buying new ones — to cope with rising fuel prices, bicycle dealers say.
"Everyone that comes in the shop is talking about the gas prices," said Barry Dahl, who opened Barry's Bikes in Bismarck in April. He sold more than 50 bicycles in the first month, double the projections in his business plan. …
Keep on pedaling! _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto |
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sameu Intermediate Crude


Joined: Aug 18, 2005 Posts: 531 Location: Belgium, Europe
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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not in belgium anyway
of course there's more and more reporting in the media about the high oil prices, but always blaming it on the wrong things _________________ www.peakoil.be |
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btu2012 Fission


Joined: Sep 24, 2007 Posts: 2584 Location: third from the sun
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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I agree. People can't deny the high prices anymore, but many still keep denying the causes and effects.
This will likely continue for a while, it's a good insight into how corrupt and incompetent the media has become.
There will likely be desperate opposition to facing the true causes and their implications once that starts filtering though.
Btu _________________ only the paranoid survive |
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vision-master Fusion


Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4727 Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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| Ferretlover wrote: | Not only is it gaining mainstream momentum, it is already being reported in a "old news" kinda way:
As fuel prices surge, bike business rolls along
Shops see marked increase in sales, repairs those who pedal to work
BISMARCK, N.D. - Four-dollar-a-gallon gas is good for business — if you run a bike shop.
Commuters around the country are dusting off their old two-wheelers — or buying new ones — to cope with rising fuel prices, bicycle dealers say.
"Everyone that comes in the shop is talking about the gas prices," said Barry Dahl, who opened Barry's Bikes in Bismarck in April. He sold more than 50 bicycles in the first month, double the projections in his business plan. …
Keep on pedaling! |
I got my carbon Fiber roadie in Feb 06, before the BIG price increases. I explained PO to the 30's something workers in the shop. They just gave me a blank look like I was some kind of loon. |
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Eli Fusion


Joined: Jun 18, 2005 Posts: 3964 Location: In a van down by the river
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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Peak oil as a term has long broken out in the mainstream.
But it is not accepted as a legitimate cause of high oil prices, the mainstream media is still by and large in denial mode and may continue so even once peak has long passed. Most often PO is mentioned and then quickly discredited.
If the media was to truly embrace PO, it would be embracing the end of its own existence as it stands now. |
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dinopello Fusion


Joined: May 13, 2005 Posts: 3020 Location: The Urban Village
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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When Paris Hilton gets the Hubbert curve tatooed on the small of her back and all the young girls copy her- then it will be mainstream.
But seriously, I think this time you may be right. We asked this back in 2005 when a few MSM articles were printed but it didn't really catch on in the mainstream vernacular. If gas drops back to sub $3 it will fade away now too. Only that may not happen. |
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FreakOil Intermediate Crude


Joined: Mar 04, 2007 Posts: 504 Location: Hong Kong
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Has Peak Oil gone Mainstream? |
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A lot of educated people in China get it. Having read from other posters what the average American thinks, not just about Peak Oil but environmental issues as well, I'd say people over here are a lot more clued in. However, they still believe that "they" will find a "solution." _________________ "We shall live in interesting times, and we shall die in them too." - Heineken |
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