I will believe the Saudis don't see any upcoming problems with Ghawar when they cancel one of their projects due to low oil prices. If they continue to be full steam ahead with increasing their capacity then I think they are aware that Ghawar may not be as robust in 5 years time as they would like us to believe.
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: Newbie from south central Florida
Hello Everyone,
I just finished reading an associated press article on global energy concerns and found a reference to this site. After a quick perusal I immediately felt compelled to join. I reside in the center of the Kissimmee, Lake Okeechobee, Everglades ecosystem and look forward to participating on the boards. I'm certainly glad I found this site!
Joined: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 3855 Location: Minniesotuh
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie from south central Florida
Welcome, Hawkeye.
Plan to take time to read the Planning for the Future forum as well as the others offered here.
Don't try to take in too much at one sitting-the reality can be a bit overwhelming at times! _________________ "RRrrruuuunnnn!!!" ~Apocalypto
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie from south central Florida
Hawkie you are another in a two or three-day flood of newbies. I find this heightened interest very frightening because it suggests a sudden general public awareness not matched with an education and preperation.
The implications of oil depletion are overwhelming and dire because there is not the time, natural resources, alternative energy systems, infrastructure re-designs, trained engineers, political will, and general public education to deal with intelligently with the situation.
Therefore I am concerned with PANIC I worry that at best people will act rashly and answers calls by ideologues/demagogues to scapegoat minorities, political opponents, etc. At worst I see economic disruptions, civil defense laws, and government edits resulting in rebellion etc.
What do you think? How are we going to handle this? _________________ ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap
Joined: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 815 Location: Eastern NC
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie from south central Florida
Oh come on Pstarr, we had to expect it would come to this at some point. The crap is hitting the wind machine, PANIC is a natural consequence. All your worries will come true to some extend or another. At best those who have thought through this will offer reasonable solutions, at worst, well we'll fight and bicker, sort of like we always do on this site.
Joined: Sep 01, 2005 Posts: 275 Location: New Hampshire USA
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie from south central Florida
I stayed in Kissimmee for what was probably my last vacation. It really is/was a nice place. I really missed out on visiting "Medieval Times?" (not sure of the exact name of the place.) I would have liked to see people beat each other senseless, while enjoying dinner.
Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie from south central Florida
I'm a couple hours north of Kissimmee. Good to hear from you.
Some of us around these boards have been aware of the Peak Oil problem for several years. From your viewpoint as being only recently enlightened:
-What was your belief system about energy before reading the article?
-What level of concern and attention did you give to petroleum/energy/agriculture?
-Is the news you view most getting more involved with petroleum news?
-How many people do you know of that know about the problem?
-If a friend of yours was to tell you gas was going to be $10 a gallon within 3 years, what would you have told them or thought of them the day before you read the article?
-With the activity in the petroleum, agriculture, and economic realms of the past couple of years, what is it that just now gains your attention to the issue of Peak Oil ?
-If you had not read that particular article, do you think you would have eventually learned of the situation?
-In the world of the unknowing population, of which you were a part just a couple of days ago, what are the general feelings and anxieties prevalent in the people you deal with every day?
-Before reading the article, what was your greatest concern?
Many of us have been involved in the Peak Oil discussion forums for quite some time. We are awash in news and information about aspects of the Peak Oil problem that you have yet to learn about. Getting a perspective from inside the box would serve our understanding well. Our reality is different from that of the general population, being that our reality is based on facts, data, and independently verified information. You do not yet know how deep the rabbit hole is (the only way to describe it is to use the word VERY in front of the word DEEP). Before you get too far down the hole, if we could get your current views, it would be surely appreciated. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Newbie from south central Florida
kpeavey wrote:
I'm a couple hours north of Kissimmee. Good to hear from you.
Some of us around these boards have been aware of the Peak Oil problem for several years. From your viewpoint as being only recently enlightened:
-What was your belief system about energy before reading the article?
-What level of concern and attention did you give to petroleum/energy/agriculture?
-Is the news you view most getting more involved with petroleum news?
-How many people do you know of that know about the problem?
-If a friend of yours was to tell you gas was going to be $10 a gallon within 3 years, what would you have told them or thought of them the day before you read the article?
-With the activity in the petroleum, agriculture, and economic realms of the past couple of years, what is it that just now gains your attention to the issue of Peak Oil ?
-If you had not read that particular article, do you think you would have eventually learned of the situation?
-In the world of the unknowing population, of which you were a part just a couple of days ago, what are the general feelings and anxieties prevalent in the people you deal with every day?
-Before reading the article, what was your greatest concern?
Many of us have been involved in the Peak Oil discussion forums for quite some time. We are awash in news and information about aspects of the Peak Oil problem that you have yet to learn about. Getting a perspective from inside the box would serve our understanding well. Our reality is different from that of the general population, being that our reality is based on facts, data, and independently verified information. You do not yet know how deep the rabbit hole is (the only way to describe it is to use the word VERY in front of the word DEEP). Before you get too far down the hole, if we could get your current views, it would be surely appreciated.
All very thought provoking questions and I'm racking my brains on trying to answer them in one fell swoop rather than one at a time. I've always believed the energy we currently use is finite and we should have realized it and have been doing something about it 30 years ago. I also believe world energy woes will be solved by greed and that is when the big corporate world figures out how to charge us for the energy our earth provides us for free. For example, the energy of the Gulf Stream... Why can't we generate electricity using Gulf Stream currents?
I've always felt energy prices were going to catch up with us since the rest of the world has been paying premiums, from our perspective, on oil for quite some time. What's happening to us now is no big surprise to me just a big hit in my budget.
Although not directly related but certainly energy intensive is agriculture. I see a growing trend on attempting to raise food crops as a supplemental source of energy to continue to fuel our passion for travel, big houses, and living eccentrically among other things. We are an affluent society and that generally spells demise eventually. My concern is this trend will eventually create a situation where we, the US and other free nations are going to become dependent on others for our food source and when that happens we will loose our global position to be an influential leader ... and maybe we've already reached that point only by other irresponsible actions on our part.
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I worry that at best people will act rashly and answers calls by ideologues/demagogues to scapegoat minorities, political opponents, etc. At worst I see economic disruptions, civil defense laws, and government edits resulting in rebellion etc.
ree rah rip ram. sunofabitch godamn. hidey didey christ almighty. rah rah crap 
