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Garga Coal

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Joined: May 26, 2008 Posts: 2
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: Oil Is Not Decayed Fossils - true or false? |
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http://newsbyus.com/index.php/article/524
| Quote: | Oil is made by a biological process of converting helium that comes from the nuclear reaction at the earth’s center. The helium is a result of the atomic reaction at the earth’s core and is thrown toward the surface by the rotation of the earth. Some evidence for that would be: 1) oil exists at 30,000 feet, far below the 18,000 feet at which organic matter disappears; 3) dry wells are later opened; 3) the amount of oil pumped out of the earth to date can not be accounted for by organic matter.
So, stop worrying about running out of oil, or thinking that it is a cause of rising prices. The supply is so long lasting that it is not a shortage of oil, and perhaps never will be. Neither is the rise in oil prices in terms of dollars is not caused by OPEC, greedy oil companies, or the lack of reserves. |
I'm no scientist - but to me it comes across as someone clutching at straws.
Apparently oil will never run out - if you believe it. What they don't mention is how many millions of years this process takes.... |
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killJOY Fission


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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Is Not Decayed Fossils - true or false? |
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Your headline is technically true: oil is not "decayed fossils."
It's algae transformed into hydrocarbons. |
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Schadenfreude Intermediate Crude


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TreeFarmer Heavy Crude


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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Is Not Decayed Fossils - true or false? |
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Another first-poster. Sometimes I think its one of the regulars with a different name just trying to stir the pot.
What is the deal with Helium anyway? Oil is all Hydrogens and Carbons as I understand it, no Heliums in there anywhere.
TF |
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bobcousins Light Sweet Crude


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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Is Not Decayed Fossils - true or false? |
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There is a game on BBC Radio 4 called "The Unbelievable Truth", where panellists attempt to smuggle unlikely facts into an otherwise totally made up but amusing speech.
Paul's truth is that helium is created as a product of radioactive decay. The rest is basically nonsense I think.
Paul is that typical Conservative candidate, strong views on abortion and immigration, hopeless on science. _________________ It's all downhill from here |
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Dan1195 Heavy Crude


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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Is Not Decayed Fossils - true or false? |
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| Oil is from decayed algae and organic plant material. The oil you put in your tank was never a T-Rex, I can assure you. |
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notill Coal


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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Is Not Decayed Fossils - true or false? |
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I had to get in on this one.
Even if the theory of oil from non-organic matter was true, and there's plenty of oil at 20,000-30,000 ft. how will we retrieve it?
Economically feasible fields are the only ones we have been and need to be concerned with. |
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Tanada Expert


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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Is Not Decayed Fossils - true or false? |
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| TreeFarmer wrote: | Another first-poster. Sometimes I think its one of the regulars with a different name just trying to stir the pot.
What is the deal with Helium anyway? Oil is all Hydrogens and Carbons as I understand it, no Heliums in there anywhere.
TF |
Helium is trapped by the same geological formatiosn that can trap petroleum or natural gas. As a consequence helium from alpha decay of radioactive materials throughout the mantle and core of the Earth get stuck in the same geophysical traps when they rise through the layers of the Earth. Hence Helium is mostly produced as a by-product of natural gas or co-production of natural gas and petroleum. _________________ Always appeal to a man's enlightened self interest, you can trust him to look out for himself honestly, It's when you appeal to his Honor or the Common Good that he stops paying attention. |
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Ivan_M Heavy Crude


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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Is Not Decayed Fossils - true or false? |
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| Quote: | | The helium is a result of the atomic reaction at the earth’s core and is thrown toward the surface by the rotation of the earth. |
If earths rotation were fast enough to overcome its own gravity the earth would spin itself apart.
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MonteQuest Elite


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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Is Not Decayed Fossils - true or false? |
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| killJOY wrote: | Your headline is technically true: oil is not "decayed fossils."
It's algae transformed into hydrocarbons. |
In the right camp of thought, but to be more precise:
Oil is formed from microscopic organisms (plankton) that died in ancient seas between 10 million and 600 million years ago. They sank into the sand and mud at the bottom of the sea where sedimentary rocks formed called source rocks.
Heat and pressure distilled the organic material into crude oil and natural gas. The oil flowed from the source rock and accumulated in thicker, more porous limestone or sandstone, called reservoir rock.
Crude oil is in this porous reservoir rock, and not in pools we tap, as many are led to believe. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Garga Coal

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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Oil Is Not Decayed Fossils - true or false? |
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This was my first post, but I am hopeless at science. Someone on another forum stated the helium theory. I just wanted a few facts because I'd never heard of it before.
I never said I went along with it.
There are so many opinions out there that it's difficult to know who to believe. I personally believe in the Peak Oil Theory, but my knowledge is very limited and so it is based on other peoples opinions, the ones I find to be more believable.
The never-ending oil fairytale is appealing and even if it were partially true, it would never solve the problems of ever-increasing demands. |
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anagami Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jul 26, 2006 Posts: 1761 Location: Sudavasa Abodes
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Oil Is Not Decayed Fossils - true or false? |
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| Garga wrote: | This was my first post, but I am hopeless at science. Someone on another forum stated the helium theory. I just wanted a few facts because I'd never heard of it before.
I never said I went along with it.
There are so many opinions out there that it's difficult to know who to believe. I personally believe in the Peak Oil Theory, but my knowledge is very limited and so it is based on other peoples opinions, the ones I find to be more believable.
The never-ending oil fairytale is appealing and even if it were partially true, it would never solve the problems of ever-increasing demands. |
Welcome Garga.
Stay tuned for each months and year billions or oil barrels produced. If they start declining by a significant amount, Peak Oil will be basically validated. Still, oil is a dirty, obsolete technology that should be deprecated and replaced. It spawns or fuels greed, avarice, arrogance anger and hedonism mostly because of how one can use a cheap but powerful energy source. _________________ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Esteban.barahona // also including all world languages
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ROCKMAN Intermediate Crude


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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Is Not Decayed Fossils - true or false? |
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Garga,
Don't be humbled by any of the responses. I've been a petroleum geologist for over 30 years and fully understand the theory of the deep earth origin of hydrocarbons. I completely reject the idea but if you were in a Russian chat room you would be hearing many educated professionals poo-pooing the organic origin model. The Russians have long held to the inorganic origin. They have been drilling one well in Siberia for over 20 years trying to reach down into the earth's mantal to prove the theory.
Most really dumb ideas usually have some initial basis in fact. Some dumb ideas even turn out to be true. Over 30 years ago 99.9% of the oil prtofessionals were sure there were no deep water reserves to be had in the Gulf of Mexico. Now 40% of the production in the GOM comes from these fields. |
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threadbear Expert


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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Is Not Decayed Fossils - true or false? |
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| What about decayed bacterial casings and dead insects, leaves etc...? The composition of good soil, is mainly bacterial casings, and plant matter. It's not all coming from plankton. Is it? And naturally occuring oil closer to the earth's core, could also be one of the sources. It hasn't been disproven. It would just cost way more to get to it, if that was even possible to make it worthwhile. |
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