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 Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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| Quote: | The Bush administration is drawing up plans to launch a strike against Iran within the next two months, says a former top US diplomat.
The source, a retired US diplomat and former assistant secretary of state, said senior Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein of California and Republican Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana have already been briefed on the attack plan.
Senator Feinstein, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and Senator Lugar, the ranking Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee, plan to go public with their opposition to the new Iran war plan in a New York Times editorial 'within days', Asia Times Online reported the source as saying on the condition of anonymity.
According to Asia Times Online, Feinstein and Lugar will attempt to offset the August attack by creating a furor about President George W. Bush's intentions of launching air strikes against the headquarters of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps.
In September 2007, the US Senate approved a resolution by a 76-22 vote, calling on the White House to brand the IRGC a terrorist organization.
US echelons accuse Iran of contributing to the killing of American soldiers in neighboring Iraq. This is while the White House is yet to provide concrete evidence in support of its allegation.
Iran insists that it is committed to aiding Baghdad in its efforts to restore stability in the war-ravaged country.
The Bush administration also accuses Iran of developing nuclear arms, a claim which was rejected by 16 US intelligence agencies on December 3 when their assessment conceded that Tehran is not conducting a nuclear weapons program.
According to the most recent UN nuclear watchdog report on Tehran's nuclear program, there is no link between the use of nuclear material and 'the alleged studies' of weaponization attributed to Iran by Western countries. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: Re: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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| If we Americans are stupid and gutless enough to allow this to happen... then we deserve whatever retaliation follows. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: Re: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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| WyoDutch wrote: | | If we Americans are stupid and gutless enough to allow this to happen... then we deserve whatever retaliation follows. |
Any suggestions for how to stop it?
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: Re: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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| Shannymara wrote: | | WyoDutch wrote: | | If we Americans are stupid and gutless enough to allow this to happen... then we deserve whatever retaliation follows. |
Any suggestions for how to stop it? |
Vote? Write your senator? Maybe voodoo dolls and burning fetishes would be more effective.... |
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WyoDutch
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:01 am Post subject: Re: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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| Shannymara wrote: | | [Any suggestions for how to stop it? |
I've telephoned my Congressman and both US Senators and emailed friends and family... Short of grabbing a pitchfork and marching on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, not much else I can do. Who knows... maybe in failing to grab that pitchfork, I'm commiting a terrible act of cowardice and letting the thugs win another one.
There's nothing new or unique about the Neocon/Bush/Israel axis of idiocy and their trumping-up a war on Iran.....
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
--Reich-Marshall Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: Re: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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While this story sounds plausible enough, I doubt it is true. Senators with access to this kind of sensitive intel briefing are sworn to an oath of secrecy. The penalties for breaching that oath would be severe (losing one's standing on committee, at very least).
However, I guess we'll know within "a few days", as the item suggests. Just keep watching the NYT. But I call it bogus. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: Re: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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| Shannymara wrote: | | WyoDutch wrote: | | If we Americans are stupid and gutless enough to allow this to happen... then we deserve whatever retaliation follows. |
Any suggestions for how to stop it? |
Generally, anti-war movements engage in two strategies:
1. Convincing elected figures to stop voting for war.
2. Public demonstrations.
The Iraq war was funded, as we all know, by overwhelming majorities in Congress. Very few stood up and said war was a idiotic idea. But it turns out those few were right. Do you hear many elected figures denouncing plans to attack Iran? Once again, very few. Once again, those few will be correct, but it may take a few years before most people understand this. Just like with Iraq.
Anti-war demonstrations have been held in the USA during The War, but the numbers of people attending have been insufficient to send a clear message that the war must stop. Plus, their message has often been diluted with all kinds or unrelated, or marginally related, social issues thereby minimizing the political pressure on Congress to stop war funding.
If Bush wants to bomb Iran, there's little anyone can do to stop him. All we can do is call or write a few elected officials, watch them do nothing, and then watch the bombing on TV. Just like with Iraq.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: Re: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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| NoWorries wrote: | While this story sounds plausible enough, I doubt it is true. Senators with access to this kind of sensitive intel briefing are sworn to an oath of secrecy. The penalties for breaching that oath would be severe (losing one's standing on committee, at very least).
However, I guess we'll know within "a few days", as the item suggests. Just keep watching the NYT. But I call it bogus. |
I agree. Also note that the story is from Press TV, which is associated with Iran.
While likely false, the article may represent the actual belief of Iranians, and they may act accordingly - such as their complaint made to the UN yesterday. So this is still not good news.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: Re: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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| eastbay wrote: | | If Bush wants to bomb Iran, there's little anyone can do to stop him. |
I agree. But apparently that makes me "stupid and gutless." Bummer.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: Re: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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| Shannymara wrote: | | eastbay wrote: | | If Bush wants to bomb Iran, there's little anyone can do to stop him. |
I agree. But apparently that makes me "stupid and gutless." Bummer. |
In a few days I'll be heading to Asia for a few weeks. Friends there will be asking me why the Stupid Wars are still going on. And they may ask why we're about to start more.
The Iraq and Afghan wars make no sense to them. They wonder how something this dumb could ever happen. They ask how the public could stand for this. The implication, of course, is that the majority of Americans aren't too bright and those who know the war strategy is wrong either fear acting on those beliefs or are too lazy to do so.
I suppose generally speaking there's some truth to all that. Not personally, but 'generally'.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: Re: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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... lol... that makes us, 'stupid', 'gutless', and 'lazy'. 
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: Re: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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| eastbay wrote: | | They wonder how something this dumb could ever happen. |
While you're there, ask them how the Chinese could let their government occupy Nepal or prevent Taiwan from being completely free. Ask them why North Koreans would allow their country to build nukes in exchange for starvation. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: Re: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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| Shannymara wrote: | | WyoDutch wrote: | | If we Americans are stupid and gutless enough to allow this to happen... then we deserve whatever retaliation follows. |
Any suggestions for how to stop it? |
We deserve what happens to us if we DON'T STOP Iran from developing nuclear devices.
We like to think that 9/11 was so bad? Well, think about how bad it'll be when they are blackmailing us with a nuclear device that they gave to one of their proxy groups based here in the USA.
9/11 won't even be left in our memory banks.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: Re: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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| WyoDutch wrote: | | There's nothing new or unique about the Neocon/Bush/Israel axis of idiocy and their trumping-up a war on Iran..... |
Hmmm. Israel responding to an external existential threat makes them part of an axis of idiocy?
Hmmm.
Maybe they should just pretend that Iran's threats to wipe them off the face of the earth are just words and so they should actually wait for the attack before considering a counter strategy?
Easy to propose when you don't live in Israel and are just a spectator.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: Re: 'Bush gearing up to wage war on Iran' |
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| erl wrote: | | God Bless Israel. |
/barf
Get out of my government while you're at it and do your own dirty work for a change. Quit leaning on us for support. I'm sick of the USA's policy for supporting Israel and the damage it does to us internationally.
| erl wrote: | | Maybe they should just pretend that Iran's threats to wipe them off the face of the earth are just words and so they should actually wait for the attack before considering a counter strategy? |
Both sides are completely nuts. It's pretty much a wash there. |
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