Founder of the Weather Channel On Global Warming And Gas

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I keep seeing this cooling for 10 straight years figure. I'd like to know where they get it from.

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Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1971

Everybody plays with the numbers.

Your own graph shows a high point and then 7/8 years lower than the high point in the last 9.

Trend is up.

Question really is, how much are we pushing it up?
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Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1971

Here's another graph . . .
Temp Graph

From that graph there is no doubt that the 6 year trend is cooling and that the temp has been dropping from a high in 1997.

That doesn't disprove man made global warming, of course, but it does tend to make the pro argument less likely.

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And we're only up about 0.6 degrees in 140 years of industrial civ?

lAnyway, we're already discussed this.

PO makes GW a moot point.

Like arguing whether the ship is sinking or not sinking because of leaky bilge glue while a category 6 hurricane forms right off the bow.
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Lore

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So many new and recycled trolls lately.

Five-dollar-a-gallon gasoline in the U.S. is bringing them out of the woodwork.
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Cashmere · Light Sweet Crude Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1971

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wxman · Heavy Crude Joined: Aug 23, 2005 Posts: 177

There are two main groups that put together surface measurements, NASA GISS (USA) and the Hadley Center (UK). (NOAA's NCDC also does global temps, but nobody really uses those.)

NOAA has also sent up a series of satellites with Microwave Sounding Units on them, and those are analyzed for climatic purposes by the University of Alabama-Huntsville and a private company, RSS.

The original poster used NASA GISS data, which is the only one of the four to have 2005 as the warmest year. The others all have the tremendous El Nino year of 1998 as the warmest.

So, what the "skeptics" have done is decided that since '98 is the warmest, that means that we have been "cooling" for 10 years. Of course, that is a load of crap, since you don't start trend analysis on an outlier. Fact is, the the moving average has plateaued a little mid-decade here as it has done many times in the past. Anthropogenic factors did not eliminate natural variability.

Lore

Exactly, so next year the previous 10 - year average will look rather different. I guess the deniers will have to extend their sampling range.
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