I will believe the Saudis don't see any upcoming problems with Ghawar when they cancel one of their projects due to low oil prices. If they continue to be full steam ahead with increasing their capacity then I think they are aware that Ghawar may not be as robust in 5 years time as they would like us to believe.
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: Juglans Nigra
It nut time of year.
Windy here. Just passed under a Black Walnut tree with most of its nuts on the ground.
Gotta love a tree that gives you free food, year after year, pretty much for your whole life, with no maintenance.
And Black Walnut is not eaten by any bug I've ever seen - very hardy tree.
Check out the pic. Can you figure out what's extra cool about the pic?
Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: Juglans Nigra
The floor appears to be made of black walnut lumber.
The nuts are hard to crack and you don't get much for your effort. But the meat is certainly very tasty, and the shells have certain industrial uses.
I am growing a bunch of these trees with widely variable results. They have to have just the right conditions to grow well. Best place for them is along streams. They need full sunlight, lots of moisture, and deep soil. When the conditions are right they grow very fast. Otherwise they remain stunted forever or just die.
If you want edible nuts don't plant Juglans nigra, but a grafted variety. _________________ "Actually, humans died out long ago."
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Juglans Nigra
Heineken wrote:
The floor appears to be made of black walnut lumber.
Damn Heineken, you get a star, but foo to you for screaming the answer out before anybody else had a chance to consider it.
Who are you, Horschack?
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Juglans Nigra
Damn, I was going to say it was nice wood, but I admit I didn't think about the Walnut aspect before I saw the answer. Do you stick your nuts in a brown paper bag to rot away the outer husk? I seem to remember that is what my mom would do. As a kid we used to build forts and have Walnut wars. Those suckers hurt (and leave a pretty permanent stain).
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: Juglans Nigra
Mmmmm... black walnuts...
One of the few things I miss about living in the eastern U.S. Boy they sure are a messy beeyotch to shell tho'. And talk about a lot of work!
My mom used to put them in chocolate chip cookies. Ain't nothin' compares...
And yea, I caught the black walnut floor/table right off (before I scrolled to Heinie's post). Absolutely beautiful wood. I remember probably 20 -25 years ago seeing a photo and caption of an old growth black walnut that had been harvested from some guy's place not far from my folks. Yielded one large trunk section that was oh, maybe around 5 feet or so in diameter and whatever the length of a standard logging truck bed is --15 or 20 feet maybe? The guy who's place it was harvested from was paid $53,000 for it... _________________ "It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: Re: Juglans Nigra
black walunt trees produce juglone (5-hydroxy-alphanapthaquinone-whatever the heck that is). Its kind of a natural herbicide. Many plants will not grow near a black walnut tree as a result of an allellopathic response.
When I plane lumber, I end up with barrels of sawdust. A local guy keeps several structures full of exotic birds, is always looking for litter for the floor. Walnut sawdust is to be avoided as it can harm or kill his fancy birds.
The next worry is composting of the shells, leaves or sawdust. Compost made with black walnut ingredients is a hazard for a garden, be it vegetable, herb or ornamentals. The best use for the material is fuel for a fire.
By the way, you got some nice looking nuts there.
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: Juglans Nigra
dinopello wrote:
Damn, I was going to say it was nice wood, but I admit I didn't think about the Walnut aspect before I saw the answer. Do you stick your nuts in a brown paper bag to rot away the outer husk? I seem to remember that is what my mom would do. As a kid we used to build forts and have Walnut wars. Those suckers hurt (and leave a pretty permanent stain).
Actually, I just grabbed the first thing I could to put them in. I'll have to go out tomorrow to get ones from other trees.
I don't know how to season them or get them out - I have to research it. I know it's a pain.
I have a field I've set apart for black walnuts. I plan to plant most of the nuts this year. Figure I'll get a pure stand going. Figure we can enjoy the nuts in 10 years or so, and whoever's living here in 70 years can enjoy the lumber.
In any case, we can bean zombies with them.
As for the floor, we got it at auction for just over a buck a square foot, prefinished. The prefinishing made installation easy, but it's not as nice as putting in a floor, sanding it planar, and then finishing it yourself.
Walnut is something like 10-15 bucks a bf for high grade stuff now.
On the bright side, hardwood prices are coming down because construction is dead.
I called up a mill today and the guy seemed really tightly wound. I told him I'd think about some wood I had my eye on, and he wanted me to let him know either way. Weird. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: Juglans Nigra
kpeavey wrote:
When I plane lumber, I end up with barrels of sawdust. A local guy keeps several structures full of exotic birds, is always looking for litter for the floor. Walnut sawdust is to be avoided as it can harm or kill his fancy birds.
Walnut sawdust is very bad for horses as well.
The toxin is water insoluble, so it doesn't go far from the roots. Pretty much drip line plus a few feet.
Excellent tip on the husks. I hadn't considered it.
I suppose I'll add them right to the burn pile. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: Juglans Nigra
The juglone is concentrated in the roots, but can be found throughout the tree. If you are foing to try to plant the nuts, the husks can make a fine mulch for the saplings, give the young tree a competitive advantage by eliminating weeds. Just don't plan on growing much else in that area for a while.
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Juglans Nigra
kpeavey wrote:
black walunt trees produce juglone (5-hydroxy-alphanapthaquinone-whatever the heck that is). Its kind of a natural herbicide. Many plants will not grow near a black walnut tree as a result of an allellopathic response.
Black walnut tincture is also said to be a very powerful parasiticide and topical fungicide (athlete's foot, etc). Supposedly good for getting rid of lice as well... _________________ "It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas? Is goin' bye-bye... "
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: Juglans Nigra
I'm using the powdered husk to stain my floors and bookshelves.
I make a quart at a time with a cup of powder in a dedicated cast iron pot, with an old rusty pot scrubber to help it along. It's better aged a week as well.
I've got a batch on low on the hot plate right now, set to cook overnight. It's very cheap, doesn't smell except faintly of walnuts, and can be applied in any temperature. Looks great on good wood and even improves plywood.
It supposedly will make ink, as well, but I haven't gone that route YET...
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: Juglans Nigra
Cottonball wrote:
It supposedly will make ink, as well, but I haven't gone that route YET...
It does make ink, fantastic ink. The best part is that it comes from the rotting husks and not from the edible walnut meat. The ink gets darker and more permanent with fermentation. Cash, if you've got a lot of the black walnuts around you might give it a try. Just boil up the semirotted husks, or whole rotted walnuts from the ground, until it gets, well, inky - add more water if needed - then strain them and let the stuff sit around for a while. You can also use an iron pot or add some rusty nails to make ferro-gallic ink, which is even darker and more permanent. _________________ "If a path to the better there be, it begins with a full look at the worst." — Thomas Hardy
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: Re: Juglans Nigra
I should try ink.
Hmmm.
Black walnut. Awesome tree, really. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: Re: Juglans Nigra
TWilliam wrote:
And yea, I caught the black walnut floor/table right off (before I scrolled to Heinie's post). Absolutely beautiful wood. I remember probably 20 -25 years ago seeing a photo and caption of an old growth black walnut that had been harvested from some guy's place not far from my folks. Yielded one large trunk section that was oh, maybe around 5 feet or so in diameter and whatever the length of a standard logging truck bed is --15 or 20 feet maybe? The guy who's place it was harvested from was paid $53,000 for it...
Hugh Johnson said in his big book of Trees that "walnut rustlers" used to airlift primo black walnut trees in the middle of the night. Main customers were carpenters and gunmakers.
Isn't Juglans nigra bark a good choice for tanning leather as well?
$10-15/bf? How about $10-15/lb for black ebony logs, 8 years ago anyway when I did a spell in an exotic wood dealership. Gawd did those suckers weigh a ton too, good thing they were only 4 ft long tops. _________________ Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
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