I will believe the Saudis don't see any upcoming problems with Ghawar when they cancel one of their projects due to low oil prices. If they continue to be full steam ahead with increasing their capacity then I think they are aware that Ghawar may not be as robust in 5 years time as they would like us to believe.
Got one. Here in the Mesa area they are $69.99 in store....
Looks great for at least sustinance for awhile, plus light weight. It also come with a sterno type heater that they claim gives 8 hrs of cooking time. They claim it is good for 20 yrs, but the small print says only under cool conditions
They were cooking some up in the store when we got ours and it was not too bad. When the price goes down (if it does) I plan on at least one more.
Meadow Muffin
I think its real value would be as a "charity kit"... handouts to neighbors/relatives who were grasshoppers while we were ants. I bought a half dozen cases of 'Pasta Alfredo' MRE main meals a few years ago for just that purpose.
_________________ Be yourself... Everyone else is already taken.
If you like that crap, by all means, get it. I have a pantry of food that I rotate regularly and a number of freeze dried meals, that I like, in a large box. If the food taste less than desirable, you're hurting yourself. In an emergency, good food will lift the spirits and make things seem a little less dire.
As far as giving it to the neighbors, I would rather give them a seat at my table, every day for a month, than to stock up on expensive crapola like you'll find at most big-box retail outlets. _________________ When somebody makes a statement you don't understand, don't tell him he's crazy. Ask him what he means. -- Otto Harkaman, Space Viking
We will share a meal with some people in the future, and they will be told to expect to help us out for a while for the privilege.
For a stash, I guess that's good as a no-brainer, but I prefer to think about the planning, and add some meat to the mix. With some like minded people around here, it shouldn't be a problem. YMMV. _________________ Local fix-it guy..
I have not looked into the preparation, but I'm guessing water is added to prepare the stuff.
I'm looking at 23 pounds of food for $80. This works out to $3.47/pound. With 275 servings, it works out to 1.4 oz per serving. If doubled with water, 2.8 oz per serving. This seems like a high price for a small amount of food. At least you get a bucket to barf in if you don't like it.
$80 would buy:
50-100 pounds of dry beans/peas/lentils
or
a dozen 10# bags of chicken legs and thighs
or
about 7-20# bags of rice
or
a Presto 21 quart pressure canner
or
lots of mylar bags and oxygen absorbers
or
a large amount of vegetable seed
or
a couple dozen chicks and grain for a couple months
or
2-3 piglets
or
9 dozen ball jars, quarts or pints
or
about 50 dozen lids for ball jars
or
about 300 pounds of salt
or
about 150 rolls of Angel Soft toilet paper
or
about 220 bars of Safeguard soap
or
10 cans of coffee
or
80 cans of Chef Boy R Dee Ravioli
or
106 cans of WalMart brand canned ravioli
or
500 packages of ramen noodles
or
228 cup o soup
or
enough barley to make 12 cases of beer
or
200 cans of vienna sausage
or
90 cans of evaporated milk
or
37 cans of Spam Turkey
or
53 cans of WalMart Spam
or
258 packets of yeast
or
31 1# canned ham
or
320 cans of potted meat
or
142 cans of tuna
or
240 packs of gravy mix
or
a propane camp stove with enough fuel to use it daily for a couple of months
Above figures using prices on my last trip to WalMart, 6/15/08.
What do I think?
I think you can do better.
Is your intention to buy the stuff to put it in storage until an emergency comes along? I think you would do well to increase the inventory levels of the stuff you eat now, keep it rotated and stored properly. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
In an emergency, good food will lift the spirits and make things seem a little less dire.
And good wine.
So does that mean good spirits will lift the food? _________________ When somebody makes a statement you don't understand, don't tell him he's crazy. Ask him what he means. -- Otto Harkaman, Space Viking
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: Emergency food kit
Wyodutch, I have to agree with you a little. That would be a great charity gift for family or close friend. I would not want to keep someone around and feed them my GOOD food, Screw That!. I was actually thinking about some food bars that I could give away. I would open the door hand out a few food bars and say,, this is all I have,, don't come back, good luck. Once you let someone in your house and they know you have alot of food, that could be a problem I think
I like the shelf life, its awsome, the food bars say only 5 years.
I use buckets to store my food in, but I buy the buckets empty.
If any of you have little space for gardening, you need to put more effort in your pantry and eating from there.
Check out:
The can opener gourmet by Karr, Laura
Pantry Cooking : quick and easy food storage recipes by Robins, Laura
And you supplement your pantry with your garden the best you can. You can also forage for wild foods and animals if available.
If you don't know how to cook and bake bread, make cheese, soap, etc., then better start NOW!
Start keeping a daily log of your usage and extrapolate what a years supply of that item would look like. Then go from there to lay in some proper supplies.
I inventory my staples to find their average life. For instance. One bottle of 12 oz shampoo lasts me 64 showers One bar of ivory soap lasts for 6 showers before the bar breaks in half. One box of 55 yard floss lasts me 62 times. So it is easy to extrapolate a years supply of these products to see what it looks like. An in some cases I may have many, many years supple of certain products.
These staples that cannot be made easily at home are areas that I concentrate on to bulk up on as long as they do not deteriorate ins storage much. And whether they deteriorate or not I rotate stock.
Even fishhooks, 22 LR ammo, sewing needles, nails...these cannot be made easily at home. So start taking inventory of what you need to lay in.
Here is a copy of my Master Survival Inventory List. It is tailored to what our family eats. I have edited out some proprietary items, but it is complete say to 98%.
Pantry:
Pumpkin
Low sodium canned Vegetable
Low sugar or juice packed canned fruits
Drinking Water
Concord Grape Juice
Apple Juice
Cornmeal
AP Flour
WW Flour
Rye Flour
Rye whole
Baking Soda
Baking Powder
Yeast
Pancake mix
Salt Iondized
Salt Sea
Salt Canning
Sugar White
Peanuts
Peanut butter
Almonds
Sunflower seeds
Maple Syrup
Rice Basmati
Millet
Buckwheat
Oatmeal
Quick barley
Pearled or hulled barley
Quinoa
Teff
Polenta
Pasta
Sauce cans small metal
Pasta sauce
Parmesan cheese
Ketchup
Mustard
Spring Water 8 oz 16 oz 1 Gallon 5 Gallon
Powder Eggs
Dry Beans mix
Lentils
Dry Peas
Dry Corn
Powdered Milk
Jam
Honey
Molasses
Raisins
Dried figs
Dates
Dried Apples, Pears
Granola Bars
Pop tarts
Cocoa
Carob
Chocolate chips
Beer
Wine
Soda natural
Tea
Tea Herb rose hips, chamomile
Canned Tuna
Sardines
Canned Chicken
Vinegar White gallons
Vinegar Cider
Vinegar Rice
Oil safflower, Corn, Flaxseed
Pam
Dry Cod
Planting seeds
Sprouting seeds
Couscous
Cereal
Tapioca
Kraut
Muffins
Popcorn
Cheesemaking supplies
Spices, Condiments:
Arrowroot
Dill cut and sifted
Caraway
Cumin
Cayenne
Cinnamon
Pumpkin pie spice
Cumin
Turmeric
Ginger
Mint
Garlic
Household Staples:
Canning Jars
Canning Lids
Canning Bands
Canning Supplies funnel, lift rack, magnet, lid separator
Eyeglasses
Toothpaste
Toothbrushes
Q- Tips
Shaving cream
Razors
AA Batteries Alk, NIMH
AAA Batteries Alk NIMH
9V Batteries
Ant traps
Yellow writing pads 5 x7 and 8.5 x 11
Newspaper scrap
Plastic bags market
Plastic bags umbrella
Plastic bags zip lock sandwich, larger sizes
F & V produce bags
Tyvek envelopes
Pens blue, Black Red
Markers Sharpies and larger size
Chap stik
Hand cream
Sponge
Spray Cleaner / Windex
SW LW World Radio
Solar and household battery chargers
LED lights
Candles
Sandpaper
Ammo
Reloading supplies, cases, bullets, primers, powder.
Trash bags black, white, small waste cans
H20 Filter
Bleach
Floss
Dental picks
Toothpicks
Nail files
Ivory soap
Shampoo
Baby Powder
Bug Spray
Soap Dishes - Hand and Machine
Laundry Detergent
Bleach
Stain remover sticks
Toilet Paper
Paper towels
Rubbing Alcohol
Iodine
Aspirin
Tylenol
Medicine
3 First Aid Kits Master, Med, Bug out.
Matches
Cig lighters butane, zippo
Vaseline
Staples
String
Laundry Line
Nails
Screws
Light Bulbs
Florescent Tubes
Florescent Light Screw In
Tape Masking - Electrical - Package Sealing
Gray Do All Tape
Rope
Blow Dryer
Soapmaking supplies
Misc. and Health and Vitamins:
Vit A & D
Vit D
Vit C
Iron
Brewers Yeast
Potassium (no bananas)
Zinc
Vit E
Iron
Folic Acid
Copper
Kyo Dophilus
Enchinaciea
Golden Seal Root
Whey protein,
Green vibrance
Kyo Green
Whey Protein
Egg and milk protein with vits
Clothes
Hardware and Supplies:
Bulk Gas
Cooking Fuel Coleman
Stabil
Motor Oil winter / summer
Either
2 Stroke Oil
Propane Small Tanks
Propane Large Tanks
Paint House and Spray
Tar
Mortar
Grain mill parts
Flaker Parts
Dehydrator parts
Food Stores:
(List your local sources from drug stores to Sams stores)
Best storage fruits Apples, oranges, grapefruits, lemons, limes, potatoes, winter squash.
Food should be rotated. Corn and whole grains last long time, but it is still good to use your stash and replace it as you use it.
Just learn to eat what food you bulk up on.
One important note. Hoarding food is not the same as being able to produce food. So I would suggest anyone interested in survival seriously learn to grow and raise their own food as well as be master foragers if your local is conducive for foraging.
kpeavey, I think your response was pretty stupid....I thing the guy who started this thread was probably looking at the container of freeze dried food as a hedge against WSHTF. You then ran off with some insane list of how many pigs, chickens and barley for beer he could buy.
Maybe you are in a position to buy livestock and keep it, or you have a mini brewery to use, but I think that most of us are living in a city in our hovel with a closet to store some stuff in fo a hard time.
Next time maybe you can think of the rest of us.
Meadow MUffin
Dear Meadow Muffin, If the city people have only a closet to use to prepare for WTSHTF, they are in trouble already. An apartment on the 4th floor with all electric utilities, a population density of 150 people per acre, no grass in sight and maybe a couple of window sills in which to put a potted plant is what I would call a precarious place. A 23 pound bucket of powdered snake oil for 80 bucks is a hedge against a full belly and a full wallet. Going to survive on 2.8 ounces of food per serving for how long? Store what you eat, eat what you store. This stuff is junk being marketed to people who have not done their homework. Take the time to study food storage. The internet is yours to do with as you please.
allenwrench sums it up succinctly
Quote:
If any of you have little space for gardening, you need to put more effort in your pantry and eating from there.
As far as my own livestock, I have 5 laying hens and a rooster. They have an area 50'x40' to run around and do their chicken thing. Not a whole lot of space, but considerably more than battery caged chickens. I live a mile from City Hall. It is in violation of city ordinances to keep livestock in town, so I am risking a ticket. There are at least 3 other roosters within earshot of my house. I've kept 4 laying hens in a dog kennel measuring 4'x5' and they did perfectly well. If a person is not in a position to keep 4 hens in a 20 sqft area, then quite simply, they are reliant on the current economy and product distribution systems for their survival. Peak Oil jeopardizes those systems.
FYI: a mini brewery can be as simple as a 5-6 gallon carboy, a big pot to boil a couple gallons of wort, some tubing and smallwares. All can be gathered in a kit for about the cost of
a 23 pound bucket of lint.
Does the stuff really seem like a good deal? Take a look at the sterno. Supposed to burn for 8 hours. The bucket claims 275 servings. This works out to 105 seconds of burn time per serving.
Have you worked with a sterno? You will be hard pressed to bring enough water to a useful temperature before the thing is consumed entirely. To think that such a device is useful for preparing meals in an emergency situation is to deceive yourself.
Finally, please understand that I do indeed think of the city dwellers and urbanites who are wasting their financial resources on crap, who are dependent on the grid to bring them water, who are dependent on trucks to bring them their food. The more I think of their predicament, the more ammo I buy. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
-George Orwell, 1984
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