I will believe the Saudis don't see any upcoming problems with Ghawar when they cancel one of their projects due to low oil prices. If they continue to be full steam ahead with increasing their capacity then I think they are aware that Ghawar may not be as robust in 5 years time as they would like us to believe.
* Ian Black, Middle East editor
* The Guardian,
* Thursday June 26, 2008
* Article history
Saudi Arabia has arrested 700 militants in the past six months on suspicion of planning attacks on the country's oil industry and other targets, the interior ministry said yesterday.
The figure suggests the Saudi security forces still face a significant threat from al-Qaida despite the perception, at least in the west, that the organisation has been effectively beaten, or has at least peaked, in the country of Osama bin Laden's birth. General Michael Hayden, the director of the CIA, said in an interview last month that al-Qaida had suffered "near strategic defeat" in Saudi Arabia and Iraq.
Saudi security forces carried out several operations and arrested 701 people of various nationalities, said the ministry spokesman, General Mansour al-Turki. Of those, 520 - divided into five cells - were still being held for involvement in the organisational and ideological plans of the "deviant ideology" - the Saudi official term for al-Qaida. The others were released for lack of evidence.
The televised statement said that those arrested had planned to revive "criminal activities" and that their leaders were based abroad. The detainees included some of Asian and African nationality. Some had planned to use car bombs to attack an oil installation and a security target in coordination with Bin Laden's Egyptian deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who would send fighters from Iraq, Afghanistan and North Africa to support them.
The implication being that they could possibly succeed at any time, of course, taking hundreds of thousands or millions of barrels off the market in the process...
JEDDAH, Saudi Arabia (CNN) -- Saudi authorities announced a massive anti-terrorism sweep Wednesday that netted more than 500 members of a purported al Qaeda-linked terrorist cell said to be planning attacks on Saudi targets, including major oil installations.
Quote:
The mujahedeen, the ministry said, are really "deviant spoilers" who it said would be "arriving from Iraq, Afghanistan and North Africa to target the oil installations and to fight the security forces."
"They had already begun planning to target oil installations and other security locations with car bombs," it said.
Al-Turki said that some of those arrested are believed to have recruited and trained militants from Asia in order to bring them to Saudi Arabia to carry out terrorist attacks, al-Turki said.
During the arrests, the ministry said, Saudi security forces seized a variety of weapons, ammunition, money and documents disclosing financial support for terrorist activities. It said the terror cell was "taking advantage of the leniency granted to the pilgrims and the visitors to the Holy Mosque and the holy places."
It said it announced the arrests "to inform its citizens and its residents of the true aspirations of the heads of sedition and corruption and that all what they want is to disturb the peace and security and spread chaos in this country."
So it's 24 meets the Inquisition. Nice. _________________ Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia Says Oil-Attack Plot Disrupted, 100s Arrest
I've predicted this twice, in writing, on PO.com . . .
KSA cannot let the world know that it is in terminal, aggressive decline.
FF attack on KSA refinery/distribution will be carried out to cover decline and to pin the blame on Iran or Iran supported terrists.
This garbage is simply them sowing the seeds so that when it happens the average DSE will say, "yeah, I've heard they've been trying to bomb the KSA for a while, them GD terrists - let's get em."
The irony of the KSA using terrorism to stoke up American hubris. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia Says Oil-Attack Plot Disrupted, 100s Arrest
700!! Wonder how many of them just happened to be opposition.
Mass arrests seem to always result in 75-99% of the arrested no having anything to do with the actual arrest. _________________ It's not a bailout, it's a buy-in" - Nancy Pelosi
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:05 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia Says Oil-Attack Plot Disrupted, 100s Arrest
181 of them were innocent, hence some articles stating that 520 terrorists had been arrested. You had people being picked up for giving suspected terrorists a lift, etc. _________________ Cogito, ergo non satis bibivi
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia Says Oil-Attack Plot Disrupted, 100s Arrest
Cashmere wrote:
I've predicted this twice, in writing, on PO.com . . .
KSA cannot let the world know that it is in terminal, aggressive decline.
FF attack on KSA refinery/distribution will be carried out to cover decline and to pin the blame on Iran or Iran supported terrists.
I agree 100%. Peak oil will never be accepted as a geological event. The profit from terrorizing a sensitive market is far greater than investing in more production. Once the geological peak oil genie is out of the bottle, the Saudis will be under major threat of invasion, since dispite their falling production, they still have some of the lowest pumping costs.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia Says Oil-Attack Plot Disrupted, 100s Arrest
bkwillia wrote:
Peak oil will never be accepted as a geological event.
Of course it will. Facts are facts.
I'm sure there will be a few "peak oil troofers" who will continue to claim evil speculators are hiding all the oil in their basements no matter what happens in the markets, but already the idea of peak oil is already being widely covered now by the media and is already pretty much accepted by the general public.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia Says Oil-Attack Plot Disrupted, 100s Arrest
Plantagenet wrote:
bkwillia wrote:
Peak oil will never be accepted as a geological event.
Of course it will. Facts are facts.
I'm sure there will be a few "peak oil troofers" who will continue to claim evil speculators are hiding all the oil in their basements no matter what happens in the markets, but already the idea of peak oil is already being widely covered now by the media and is already pretty much accepted by the general public.
You are being sarcastic right? PO "pretty much" accepted by the General Public? 9 out of 10 people can't even accurately define peak oil, let alone logical get behind it.
Whether or not it is accepted as geological fact doesn't really matter, except in the speed with which action is taken/not taken.
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia Says Oil-Attack Plot Disrupted, 100s Arrest
Spanktron9 wrote:
Plantagenet wrote:
bkwillia wrote:
Peak oil will never be accepted as a geological event.
Of course it will.
.
Whether or not it is accepted as geological fact doesn't really matter, except in the speed with which action is taken/not taken.
Those are two different issues.
The general public does, for the most part, accept basic scientific facts. Of course there are always be a few flat-earthers, evolution-deniers, etc.
As gas prices go higher and higher it is harder and harder for the public and the media not to acknowledge that oil supplies are inadequate.....the media is clearly getting the message and has started including "peak oil" in their list of reasons for high oil prices.
Of course it is important that peak oil be accepted as a fact. In democracies, a well-informed populace is a key part of the political system.
As far as the "speed with which action is taken," thats a more difficult problem. That requires a bit of leadership from our politicans. Thats where Obama comes in.
The good news is that Obama has just announced he will improve his energy policy by backing a second round of tax rebates to help us all pay for our high gas costs. Now that is vision. I'm back supporting Obama. He clearly has the vision and leadership to transfer more free money from the government to the people who need it to pay for gas, and that is one solution that can be done within weeks of Obama and the new COngress taking power.
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: Saudi Arabia Says Oil-Attack Plot Disrupted, 100s Arrest
Remember: The Saudis have to catch them every time. The "terrorists" (for lack of a better word at this time) only have to do it right once. _________________ The whole of human history is a refutation by experiment of the concept of "moral world order". - Friedrich Nietzsche
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