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sicophiliac
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Just found this article to be kind of interesting and thought id post it here. Cant say if it'll ever come to anything useful but its certainly an entertaining possibility for some sort of sustainable liquid fuel source.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I wonder, if only for a moment, what the world would be like if this worked on a large scale.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: Re: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

This is not substantially different that ethanol, including the same hurdles.

If it was easy to break down cellulose in a fermentation process, then ethanol would be something to consider - you could literally feed wood in and get alcohol out.

This is the same deal, except instead of CCOH out you get CCCCCCCC out.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: Re: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

There are some interesting comments from the public at the end of the article (and some really stupid ones).

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This sounds exciting, but still involves the "burning" of biomass that would otherwise have fostered soil health. There was no "waste" biomass before humans arrived, and there is none now. Distilled to its essence, the scheme is still a trade-off: burning plant material to effect transportation.


I thought this one was an excellent point. If we set about getting our energy out of the biosphere in anything like the quantities we get from fossil fuels we are going to rape the earth quicktime.

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If it was easy to break down cellulose in a fermentation process, then ethanol would be something to consider - you could literally feed wood in and get alcohol out.


How many forests per day would you have to "feed in" to get significant (i.e. millions of barrels) flows of liquid fuel?

Also, why is it always these Silicon Valley nouveau-entrepreneur types who seem to be the ones throwing their money at these "solutions"? Worried that their life of excess and ease may be about to end, but then aren't we all?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:13 pm    Post subject: Re: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

129shot wrote:
I wonder, if only for a moment, what the world would be like if this worked on a large scale.


Technically wouldn't this be carbon neutral? Might not be so bad although I think the enclosed reactor method will be hard to scale out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Re: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

It'd be fun if they put together systems that homeowners could put their own grass clippings in get 25 gallons per month out of it.

Certainly is pretty neat. Beats the hell out of standing behind a restaurant in the rain (or snow) pumping waste veggie oil out of a dumpster in the middle of the night to make biodiesel, that's for sure.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:22 am    Post subject: Re: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

thylacine wrote:
There are some interesting comments from the public at the end of the article (and some really stupid ones).

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This sounds exciting, but still involves the "burning" of biomass that would otherwise have fostered soil health. There was no "waste" biomass before humans arrived, and there is none now. Distilled to its essence, the scheme is still a trade-off: burning plant material to effect transportation.


I thought this one was an excellent point. If we set about getting our energy out of the biosphere in anything like the quantities we get from fossil fuels we are going to rape the earth quicktime.

cashmere wrote:
If it was easy to break down cellulose in a fermentation process, then ethanol would be something to consider - you could literally feed wood in and get alcohol out.


How many forests per day would you have to "feed in" to get significant (i.e. millions of barrels) flows of liquid fuel?

Also, why is it always these Silicon Valley nouveau-entrepreneur types who seem to be the ones throwing their money at these "solutions"? Worried that their life of excess and ease may be about to end, but then aren't we all?



Why would we have to use forest why not have a hemp industry again.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:30 am    Post subject: Re: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Very interesting article.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I wonder if anyone ever thinks about the endgame of these technologies. What have we used our abundance of energy for so far? Pretty much the single-minded destruction of the Earth and ourselves. So if this solution works on a large scale, we can fark things up even longer and faster and cheaper.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'm not sure of the credibility of this story, but it raises the usual concerns of GMO's: Klebsiella planticola--The Gene-Altered Monster That Almost Got Away

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From that experiment, we might suspect that there's a problem with this genetically engineered microorganism. The logical extrapolation from this experiment is to suggest that it is possible to make a genetically engineered microorganism that would kill all terrestrial plants. Since Klebsiella-planticola is in the root system of all terrestrial plants, presumably all terrestrial plants would be at risk.

So what does Klebsiella-planticola do in root systems? The parent bacterium makes a slime layer that helps it stick to the plant's roots. The engineered bacterium makes about 17 parts per million alcohol. What is the level of alcohol that is toxic to roots? About one part per million. The engineered bacterium makes the plants drunk, and kills them.

But I am not trying to say that all genetically engineered organisms are technological terrors. What I am saying is that we have to test each and every genetically engineered organism and make sure that it really does not have unexpected, unpredicted effects.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

jdumars wrote:
I wonder if anyone ever thinks about the endgame of these technologies. What have we used our abundance of energy for so far? Pretty much the single-minded destruction of the Earth and ourselves. So if this solution works on a large scale, we can fark things up even longer and faster and cheaper.


Here we go again. People are such doomers that even if a technofix arrives they are STILL pissed off, even though it's probably saving their sorry little asses from the invisible hand. The only true best outcome is a combination of a technofix AND for humanity to be scared so shitless by impending die-off that they finally agree to a population reduction plan. Do I think that's likely? No! But you can't have a humane outcome without some sort of technofix bridge to get us from point A to point B. So I can not be so much of a misanthrope as to hope that things like this never materialize. I really think we should solve this problem on our OWN terms, not the invisible hand's.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Quizz makes a valid point that any sort of serious GMO research and utilization must be approached with extreme caution. However I think its unlikely for evolutionary reasons that these organisms would survive in the natural environment and devastate the ecosystem. Say we have a bacteria that produces crude oil or extra alcohol as a metabolic waste product. More alcohol which has chemical energy would imply a less efficient metabolism and thus make the microorganism less fit to compete with its counter parts which squeeze out as much chemical energy as they can from decomposition and then excrete not much more than CO2 and a little methane. Likewise with the bacteria that produce crude oil, the article stated it was not that hard to manipulate the genetics to get them to produce crude oil vs the fatty oils the bacteria already produce. Is it not reasonable to assume that perhaps nature had already tried this through random genetic mutation and for reasons of metabolic inefficiency it was sorted out through natural selection?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

jdumars wrote:
I wonder if anyone ever thinks about the endgame of these technologies. What have we used our abundance of energy for so far? Pretty much the single-minded destruction of the Earth and ourselves. So if this solution works on a large scale, we can fark things up even longer and faster and cheaper.


So far we have used our abundance to bring our species from the brink of extinction to a population of six billion. That doesn't sound like self destruction. But if six billion is too many then what is the right number and are you and your family among those who should be allowed to remain?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:19 am    Post subject: Re: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Treebeard sighs in frustration... picks up boulder... eyes humanity with thinly veiled contempt...

Why stop at trees?

Oxygen burns ya know... and it's everywhere man... I mean everywhere.

Let's burn it.

I'll look around here and see what else we can burn after the O2 runs out.

Do whales or baby seals burn?

I bet they do...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:21 am    Post subject: Re: GMO bacteria that crap crude oil Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Aaron wrote:
Treebeard sighs in frustration... picks up boulder... eyes humanity with thinly veiled contempt...

Why stop at trees?

Oxygen burns ya know... and it's everywhere man... I mean everywhere.

Let's burn it.

I'll look around here and see what else we can burn after the O2 runs out.

Do whales or baby seals burn?

I bet they do...


thats a good idea baby seal diesel powered Porche burn baby burn

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