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one_more_day Tar Sands


Joined: Aug 27, 2006 Posts: 77
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:00 pm Post subject: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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This year my family is going for a second summer of voluntary non-airconditioning. Our summer temps are usually mid to upper 90s with high humidity.
Here is what we are doing to keep cool:
1. Fans are a given.
2. Opening the windows in the evening whenever the temperature drops enough to warrant it.
3. A combination of 1 and 2 is that I position fans so that they draw in outside air on the main level and then the hotter air is pushed upstairs where other fans help to expel it through upstairs windows. I run these for several hours almost every night.
4. Cold water: drink it during the day and it keeps you comfortable. In a twist on an old-fashioned concept, I have started sleeping with a cold-water-bottle. I can't keep drinking cold water during the night, it would disturb my sleep. So I just fill a hot water bottle with cool water from the tap (yes, I let it run a few seconds to get the room-temp water out of the pipe). I sleep with it hugged against my chest and I haven't felt overheated in the bedroom since. The beauty of this is that it doesn't use electricity at all (unless you count what is used to pump it). The water is naturally cooled by the ground it comes out of. It's almost like a personal, portable, geothermal system.
5. We have minimized the use of heat producing appliances. Clotheslines are an obvious step, but it doesn't end there. I have applied the seasonal diet concept to cooking. Most of our meals require little to no cooking for the summer. My grill is large enough to contain a wood fire. So once a week I make a fire which is used to bake bread, cook beans, and any other item that requires high temperatures or long cooking times.
So far we have saved in excess of $100 per month. The power company actually gave us a credit for energy management.
Anyone else have some great ideas for summer cooling on the cheap? |
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Ludi NeoMaster


Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13064 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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Very little clothing.  _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy |
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misterno Heavy Crude


Joined: Mar 07, 2007 Posts: 309 Location: Houston, TX
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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| How can you use clothesline in an apartment with no balcony? |
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Ludi NeoMaster


Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 13064 Location: naive idiot fantasy world
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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| misterno wrote: | | How can you use clothesline in an apartment with no balcony? |
You can have clotheslines in your apartment. The drying clothes will help cool the air with evaporation. _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow." - jboogy |
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dunewalker Intermediate Crude


Joined: Jun 30, 2005 Posts: 743 Location: northern California
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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| misterno wrote: | | How can you use clothesline in an apartment with no balcony? |
I put a clothes line in the bedroom and one in the bathroom. All clothes get dried that way. It's so windy & dusty out here in the desert that an outside clothesline is not an option. Of course the dry air here helps--everything washed in the morning is ready to fold by evening. For cooling, I just bought a used fan for 1$ that's doing great service here next to the computer now @100 degrees inside/outside temp. Plus, following Empress Ludi's formula helps too... _________________ "When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon."
Thomas Paine |
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frankthetank Fusion


Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4836 Location: Southwest WI
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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Your brave! I grew up with no AC and lived through the blast furnace of 1988 and i think '95 was bad too. Now i've become a wussy cause i still turn on the ac whenever the dewpoint goes near 70F. With me its the humidity, not so much the heat. I can stand 90F if the air is dry, but through in a 70F dewpoint and it horribly stick. We have one of those days coming up on Friday.
Today was right around 80F with a dewpoint in the mid 50F's and it was PERFECT  _________________ Clothing should be optional. |
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Fishman Intermediate Crude


Joined: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 815 Location: Eastern NC
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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| I had read that in India folks will sleep with a lightly dampened sheet. While working in the Dominican Republic I tried a smaller version, sleeping with a wet bandana drapped across my head and part of body. It worked fairly well. |
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alokin Intermediate Crude


Joined: Aug 24, 2007 Posts: 872
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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| Quote: | | How can you use clothesline in an apartment with no balcony? |
How did people in former times dried their clothes?? We never had an electric dryer but lived most of the time in apartments. There are foldable clothes dryers, those which have wings are even better. And we had one which we put on top of the washing machine. We never thought of that as a problem.
I think air conditioning is
a) a problem of poor building design and/or
b) weak people who can't stand the heat any more.
We live without but our house is a Queenslander (nearly) on stumps with lots of ventilation. (which gets chilly in winter wiithout heating) |
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dinopello Fusion


Joined: May 13, 2005 Posts: 3020 Location: The Urban Village
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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| one_more_day wrote: | This year my family is going for a second summer of voluntary non-airconditioning. Our summer temps are usually mid to upper 90s with high humidity.
Here is what we are doing to keep cool:
1. Fans are a given. |
I've had a whole house fan now for almost 4 months and it's effective. Especially in the early evening. The fan is installed on the south facing side of the house on the upper story. I set it for exhaust and open some 1st floor windows on the north side and it pretty much creates a breeze throughout the house. Humidity with high temps though are a killer. Gotta use the AC for that.
The fan itself draws 1-2 amps depending on speed, so it isn't free, and it is pretty loud. |
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Narz Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Nov 25, 2006 Posts: 1524 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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| Ludi wrote: | Very little clothing.  |
This technique confuses me? Any pics to help me understand?
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“Seek simplicity but distrust it” |
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taizee Tar Sands


Joined: Jun 22, 2008 Posts: 52
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Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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Temperatures in Boise, Idaho have been in the 90's, even 105 two weeks ago, but it does cool considerably here at night as it is high desert and very dry. I am renting a badly insulated house but still find ways to minimise the AC ,
I don't use a dryer and can't understand why anyone would here. Compared to Ireland, where we never had one, I am delighted that a shirt can even be left over a chair and dry quickly. Damp clothes inside the house would not be a problem for long in this climate.
Someone told us to close all the windows and blinds/curtains in the morning, especially on south facing windows, then at night open everything up to try and get a cross breeze. I find that I need the AC for just for a blast in the late afternoon.
If I owned a house here I would retrofit it for passive solar and insulate it properly, or build a proper house for this climate. _________________ formerly Taizy and Taizy8 - having problems with the cookies.
"wherever you go, there you are" |
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frankthetank Fusion


Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4836 Location: Southwest WI
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: Re: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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During high humdity about the only thing to do is drink cold water, put your feet in a kiddy pool and sit in the shade. Its hard to beat without AC. My problem is sleeping... I get all "sticky" when the humidity is high and i wake up a lot. On top of that i take like 2 or at times 3 showers a day if i'm active (that helps too). I wish i had a shower outside.
taizee-
Just run up to Stanley, ID...they usually are the coldest spot everyday during the summer with lows usually in the low 30's.
Boise? Dewpoints there are very low and look to be in the 30F range during the heating of the day. That looks to be the ultimate climate. I think you guys have mild winters too. Also believe most fruits will grow there (peaches, plums, pears, apples, etc). _________________ Clothing should be optional. |
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allenwrench Intermediate Crude


Joined: Apr 23, 2008 Posts: 893
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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Some of us do a great job surviving catastrophes and some of us cannot even survive a stretch of hot weather and die. Good you are training for it now. Much tougher things await you down the road.
Take cold showers and cold sponge baths with cloths. Keep a damp, thin towel on your head and shoulders.
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Commanding_Heights Heavy Crude


Joined: Nov 09, 2006 Posts: 208
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: Re: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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| frankthetank wrote: | During high humdity about the only thing to do is drink cold water, put your feet in a kiddy pool and sit in the shade. Its hard to beat without AC. My problem is sleeping... I get all "sticky" when the humidity is high and i wake up a lot. On top of that i take like 2 or at times 3 showers a day if i'm active (that helps too). I wish i had a shower outside.
taizee-
Just run up to Stanley, ID...they usually are the coldest spot everyday during the summer with lows usually in the low 30's.
Boise? Dewpoints there are very low and look to be in the 30F range during the heating of the day. That looks to be the ultimate climate. I think you guys have mild winters too. Also believe most fruits will grow there (peaches, plums, pears, apples, etc). |
If the power ever goes out just get you some calcium chloride (road salt) and hang it inside some cheesecloth or cotton. It's a dehumidifer with no moving parts. |
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taizee Tar Sands


Joined: Jun 22, 2008 Posts: 52
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:25 am Post subject: Re: Summer Cooling Ideas |
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| frankthetank wrote: |
taizee-
Just run up to Stanley, ID...they usually are the coldest spot everyday during the summer with lows usually in the low 30's.
Boise? Dewpoints there are very low and look to be in the 30F range during the heating of the day. That looks to be the ultimate climate. I think you guys have mild winters too. Also believe most fruits will grow there (peaches, plums, pears, apples, etc). |
Well, everyone else seems to go to Stanley... it is one of THE summer place around here and hard to get a cabin or camping spot. But a short trip to Bogus Basin (ski area) 45 mins up into the foothills is cooler even than the valley. A friend has let me stay occasionally in her place over the Summer 35 miles from here ...has a pond (mosquitos !) but a nice stream too and a microclimate which needs watering.
Oh yes ... what is great fun and cooling in Summer is floating down the Boise river ....
I don't think I would last long if there was high humidity ... I'd just move. _________________ formerly Taizy and Taizy8 - having problems with the cookies.
"wherever you go, there you are" |
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