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Plantagenet
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 Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in USA |
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Bush once again asked congress to open more areas in Alaska and the offshore to oil drilling
More oil drilling please, pleads Mr. Bush
Congress said they are working on it..... |
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heroineworshipper
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in U |
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Xinhuanet is the best. But China forgets about the best peak oil solution of all: slavery. God giveth & Hillary TAKETH AWAY.
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Cochise
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in U |
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It blows my mind that no politician is proposing the only viable and ethical solution to all this mess: to cut consumption.
Are there really so few people to understand that we WILL go through that road anyway?
If, in a way, I can understand politicians because they have been bought by big oil, i cannot understand why regular people are ready to give up a bucket of tomorrow for a glass of today. |
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Plantagenet
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in U |
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| Cochise wrote: | It blows my mind that no politician is proposing the only viable and ethical solution to all this mess: to cut consumption.
Are there really so few people to understand that we WILL go through that road anyway?
If, in a way, I can understand politicians because they have been bought by big oil, i cannot understand why regular people are ready to give up a bucket of tomorrow for a glass of today. |
Consumption already IS dropping in response to higher prices.
The difficult question is what mix of responses should be undertaken with our glass of today to ensure there is a bucket of tomorrow, and not just an empty shotglass of yesterdays.  |
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seldom_seen
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in U |
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Wait, he said we were "addicted to oil," and now he wants to drill protected areas?
I guess that would be like going to rehab, and having your drug counselor help you rob grandmas jewelry box to score some smack.
I'm confused. |
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Zardoz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in U |
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| heroineworshipper wrote: | | ...slavery. God giveth & Hillary TAKETH AWAY. |
What in Christ's name are you talking about?
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Cochise
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in U |
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| Plantagenet wrote: | | Cochise wrote: | It blows my mind that no politician is proposing the only viable and ethical solution to all this mess: to cut consumption.
Are there really so few people to understand that we WILL go through that road anyway?
If, in a way, I can understand politicians because they have been bought by big oil, i cannot understand why regular people are ready to give up a bucket of tomorrow for a glass of today. |
Consumption already IS dropping in response to higher prices.
The difficult question is what mix of responses should be undertaken with our glass of today to ensure there is a bucket of tomorrow, and not just an empty shotglass of yesterdays. |
Hello Plantagenet,
yes, consumption is dropping, but not as result of a wide awareness in people (and for having wrote this statement i allow you to call me naive ).
As for the mix of responses .... oil is a finite resource and the more we use today, the less there is going to be tomorrow for our children. The only way to assure that even them will have their share is to use less today. Unless of course some miraculous technological development will save us all .... but i would not count on it. |
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Plantagenet
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in U |
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| Cochise wrote: |
Hello Plantagenet,
yes, consumption is dropping, but not as result of a wide awareness in people (and for having wrote this statement i allow you to call me naive ).
As for the mix of responses .... oil is a finite resource and the more we use today, the less there is going to be tomorrow for our children. The only way to assure that even them will have their share is to use less today. Unless of course some miraculous technological development will save us all .... but i would not count on it. |
I wouldn't dream of calling you naive.
I would just like to point out that people RARELY change their consumption patterns because of a sudden development of "wide awareness." Usually people's choices are strongly affected by economic considerations.
It is inevitable that as oil and gasoline get more expensive, more and more people will seek out alternatives.
Hopefully by the time your children are grown, they will have access to hydrogen or LNG or wind or solar or nuclear power, rather then being so dependent on oil. |
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Cochise
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in U |
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| Quote: | | I wouldn't dream of calling you naive. |
thank you for sparing my feelings
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I would just like to point out that people RARELY change their consumption patterns because of a sudden development of "wide awareness." Usually people's choices are strongly affected by economic considerations.
It is inevitable that as oil and gasoline get more expensive, more and more people will seek out alternatives.
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that is exactly my point. correct me if i am wrong, but i believe you think that this type of behavior is acceptable in the dire situation we are in.
I think it is inexcusable for adults to act irresponsibly without thinking to the consequences of their actions.
And wasting oil, or any other resource because is uncomfortable to do otherwise is an irresponsible act.
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Hopefully by the time your children are grown, they will have access to hydrogen or LNG or wind or solar or nuclear power, rather then being so dependent on oil. |
Thanks for your wishes, but i am not worried for my children for i have none.
You are an optimist, and god bless you for that, but ... i am not able to be. The only hope is to achieve cold fusion, and FAST....i really hope that will happen but i am not holding my breath... |
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doodlebug2
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:12 am Post subject: Re: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in U |
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| Even with the facts I read about (here and other places), it seems this (offshore drilling) is not going to help or get rid of the problem of over consumption of oil. The big problem that I see is that US citizens think it will make gas become cheap again and drilling will help. What happens when the panacea does not work, what will the citizens say? |
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Plantagenet
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: Re: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in U |
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"It's time for members of Congress to address the pain that high gas prices are causing our citizens. Every extra dollar that American families spend because of high gas prices is one less dollar they can use to put food on the table or send a child to college. The American people deserve better."
--from George Bush's speech yesterday |
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Plantagenet
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in U |
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| Cochise wrote: | | Quote: | | I wouldn't dream of calling you naive. |
thank you for sparing my feelings
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I would just like to point out that people RARELY change their consumption patterns because of a sudden development of "wide awareness." Usually people's choices are strongly affected by economic considerations.
It is inevitable that as oil and gasoline get more expensive, more and more people will seek out alternatives.
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that is exactly my point. correct me if i am wrong, but i believe you think that this type of behavior is acceptable in the dire situation we are in.
I think it is inexcusable for adults to act irresponsibly without thinking to the consequences of their actions.
And wasting oil, or any other resource because is uncomfortable to do otherwise is an irresponsible act. |
Of course.
But reasonable people can disagree on what is reasonable and responsible.
Personally, I think it is irresponsible of the Congress not to enact some kind of comprehensive energy plan in response to peak oil.
Given that it takes 10 years to develop new oil fields in offshore areas and in Alaska, I think Congress should open some new areas in the US for oil development now, because the peak oil problem is going to be catastrophic in 10 years....global oil production may be only 50-75% of current levels. |
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Peleg
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Re: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in U |
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At this point this is a political move. Even if allowed it will not solve the problem. In the political calculus all the Republicans care about is finding a way to get McCain elected, that is priority one of all public appearances, but as the wicked witch so aptly put it, 'These things have to be done delicately.'
It is almost a sure thing that major policy changes will occur under and Obama presidency, and major investigations into things that the Bush power center would rather not talk about.
Drilling more holes in the ground is well, 'now we know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall.' |
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Plantagenet
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in U |
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| Peleg wrote: | | In the political calculus all the Republicans care about is finding a way to get McCain elected, that is priority one of all public appearances, but as the wicked witch so aptly put it, 'These things have to be done delicately.' |
And all the democrats care about is getting Obama elected and preserving their control of Congress. Thats why they blame high oil prices on evil speculators rather then on peak oil. And as the wicked witch put it "Hah Ha hahahahaha!"
Meanwhile, times-a-wastin.....if the US wants to do anything about peak oil, they've got to start ASAP.
Bush wants to drill in new areas for oil and build nukes. T. Boone Pickens wants to build massive windmill farms. Mathew Simmons wants to drill and build tidal power stations. The dems want to blame speculators and drain the strategic petroleum reserve.
So far, most people prefer the dems plan......its the most painless. |
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TheDude
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Bush asks Congress again to allow more oil drilling in U |
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Is the Alaskan secessionist movement gaining any headway? You guys would make for a real frosty Angola. 
Bush also said goodbye to the G8 meeting with "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter!" and grinning/punching the air. Nice that the most powerful man in the world apparently suffers from PSD.
Bush Gaffes His Way Toward More International Ridicule - Politics ...
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