I will believe the Saudis don't see any upcoming problems with Ghawar when they cancel one of their projects due to low oil prices. If they continue to be full steam ahead with increasing their capacity then I think they are aware that Ghawar may not be as robust in 5 years time as they would like us to believe.
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: German 150 mpg car
Unfortunately I call BS and say the car will never be built at that price... another too good to be true story. _________________ When somebody makes a statement you don't understand, don't tell him he's crazy. Ask him what he means. -- Otto Harkaman, Space Viking
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: German 150 mpg car
Finally, somebody is coming up with a truly revolutionary concept. 150 mpg is great. The 20 hp motor is the secret. I'll bet it doesn't power over hills, but can get over them at 50 or 60 mph. The crazy thing is that we are driving around in what we are in now.
A 20 hp engine is like the one in your lawn mower. They can power a car to dizzying speeds just fine.
This car will sell like hotcakes.
Doesn't everybody want over 100 mpg?
We're building one right now that will get the equivalent of 250 mpg.
www.sunnev.com _________________ Deep in the mud and slime of things, even there, something sings.
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: German 150 mpg car
LOOK, its not THE answer but maybe AN answer. I find it so funny when someone comes out with something like this all the naysayers come out of the woodwork.
I was in dallas recently and the traffic coming out was horrendous and only ONE PERSON in ever SUV. So yes, a car like this is great for communting and for gas mileage.
THe answer is not what you want but what it IS> So we change with the times or pay for the fuel. There will be fuel as we will find ways to conserve at the current price and in fact, my friends in the oil business are bracing for a bust. They say the speculators are getting ready to bolt and clear their books.
We shall see. As for me, I would drive one of these. I drive a 2 seat bww now so this is great for me. I only have to go 65 mph or so. thats enough. DONT NEED HUGE ass 60's horsepower. Good lord.
Joined: Aug 03, 2007 Posts: 4376 Location: Boston Suburbs
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: German 150 mpg car
Sorry, I just don't like this design. It flips over and you can't get out. This thing is about 3/4 of the size of a Honda CRX. It is really tiny and close to the ground. Plus, it's effectively a 2 seater. There is barely enough room in the reverse-facing seats for a kid and about 2" of clearance between a kid's head and the hatchback. It's like an enclosed luge. It just really looks claustrophobic, like you have no elbow room or anything.
The Aptera looks much more comfortable to drive because you are higher up and it has large windows. If I wanted something that felt like I was in a tight cockpit, I'd go with the Venture One because at least you get the leaning effect. _________________ As long as I am around, there are no worries we have reached "Peak Words"
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: German 150 mpg car
joelcolorado wrote:
LOOK, its not THE answer but maybe AN answer. I find it so funny when someone comes out with something like this all the naysayers come out of the woodwork.
.............
They just want to be clowns about everything and wish to be right about doom and gloom.
It's easy for most to be critics of a move in the right direction behind a pc screen instead of being part of AN answer...
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:52 am Post subject: Re: German 150 mpg car
Apparently, according to the Loremo website, they're going into production in 2010. _________________ All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become. - Buddha
Joined: Nov 01, 2005 Posts: 842 Location: Euro high horse bastard on the run
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: Re: German 150 mpg car
Guys, calm down,
Loremo has been discussed over the PO forums numerous times before, especially as a perfect donor platform for EV conversions, ~300mpg, can retrofit with cheapo "forklift/golfcart" traction components. More importantely, with such a high efficiency/low kWh consumption it can be fed from renewables even in the inferior insolation conditions of central/northern Europe, which is kind of expensive with traditional >1ton/30kWh full size EVs..
In the NEFZ (New European Driving Cycle) - city&highway combined it will get economy around <60Wh/km (96Wh/mi) from the plug, after e-drivetrain/charging overhead.
During the track testing as pictured a year ago, it was getting <1.9L consumption out of some crude non-automotive grade diesel engine.. So, that declared production spec: 1,5-1,7L/100km goal seems to be realistic.
It was one of the first concepts in the emerging segment of affordable-high efficiency vehicles, going back to ~2000.
- sportcar chassis designed for autobahn <200km/h
- security no problem, the chassis is based on steel bathub
- 2seater design is just perfect, lots of battery place in the trunk for diyers
- esthetics is just stunning, refer to final design not that bare glider being track tested for mechanical purposes, as shown in that previous post..
cons:
- I'm not that excited about Harley style beltdrive efficiency-wise
- also the engine bay can be entered only from bellow and pulled as one module, which could be regarded as "pro"
- why not aluminum/resin bonded chassis for weight and safety, but this is more expensive, also new light steel-sheet alloys are now available, so also not that much negative point
- un/fortunately the project father Mr. Sommer is from Germany, which is probably the last place on earth to startup company like that from investors lurkers point of view, all manufs. in DE were/are currently into gasguzzling autobahn racing 2ton segment and many eco-car attempts been seen as failure during the 1990s-2000s. If he was a Californian, they would be already on the streets..
- Loremo AG has burned ~ EUR 5-10M so far on the project, current stage is design mule and working prototypes, no full production facility yet. Company seems to be owned by group of german and south-asian investors, lets hope they make it to the market by 2010. Former CEO and co-founder resigned recently, no much details on that, could be also a positive sign.
..many other details explained on their corp. website/forum.. _________________ DOOMerotron: at all-time high [8.1] out of 10..
Joined: Sep 03, 2007 Posts: 637 Location: Sunny Virginia, USA
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:32 am Post subject: Re: German 150 mpg car
joelcolorado wrote:
LOOK, its not THE answer but maybe AN answer. I find it so funny when someone comes out with something like this all the naysayers come out of the woodwork.
I was in dallas recently and the traffic coming out was horrendous and only ONE PERSON in ever SUV. So yes, a car like this is great for communting and for gas mileage.
THe answer is not what you want but what it IS> So we change with the times or pay for the fuel. There will be fuel as we will find ways to conserve at the current price and in fact, my friends in the oil business are bracing for a bust. They say the speculators are getting ready to bolt and clear their books.
We shall see. As for me, I would drive one of these. I drive a 2 seat bww now so this is great for me. I only have to go 65 mph or so. thats enough. DONT NEED HUGE ass 60's horsepower. Good lord.
You are quite correct in your assesment regarding need to change and that this may be a good first try, however, again I find it hard to believe such a car can be made for the advertised price AND pass highway safety standards AND provide any sort of comfort for a 200+ mile journey on a hot summer or cold winter day.
However, should the highways quit sporting the parade of 85,000 lb vehicles carrying food and SUVs delivering little johnny to the game, then such vehicles, at whatever price they are sold, will be of interest to some. _________________ When somebody makes a statement you don't understand, don't tell him he's crazy. Ask him what he means. -- Otto Harkaman, Space Viking
Joined: Nov 01, 2005 Posts: 842 Location: Euro high horse bastard on the run
Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: Re: German 150 mpg car
frankthetank>
Try to be more specific, for one thing, they aim at low 10k volume production from the start/first years, so there will be very few dealerships setup over EU anyway. With [E] type approval, no problem to buy it "abroad" and get on the road though..
The manuf. and assembly is "so easy" and low capital intensive that in case of high demand they can license it all over the world to ramp up production. That's what plans their Malaysian (is it?) stockholder anyway.
I'm also a bit sceptical about the project but for specific reasons stated here and other threads.
For many people, me included, there is simply no way back to go shopping inside a showroom for <150mpg car be it ICE/EV, this is just inferior product.
Other car options: used ICE/EV, diy ICE/EV conversions/.. etc.
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jlw61>
- what do you not understand about safety of "bathtub chassis" ?
Race/sports cars in various categories utilize it for ages, "bang", and you just walk out from direct 200km/h car crash..
- what do you not understand about spartan interior, have you seen the pictures/videos of adult person seated inside Loremo? There is NO comfort in the sense of 100kg upholstery and gigawatt air condition. Jesus this is 150-300mpg car!
- still, if you want AC, just buy one of those 12V water cooled seat covers from ebay. cool your body! Cooling air in the vast cubic space and air leaks of multi-ton box of steel via air condition in average SUV/sedan is just silly..
- there will be basic heating ceramic element/water heating circuit which takes no more than 5-15% from the range, you could also preheat before the journey
- if you want over 100mpg highway ready car with the comfy space for 5adults, AC, and all the other comforts it's not going to be cheap ever!, you can plunk down today $70k for Scion eBOX to get it now from ACP, perhaps later from Fisker, Tesla and others. But this category is not the subject of this thread.. _________________ DOOMerotron: at all-time high [8.1] out of 10..
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: Re: German 150 mpg car
God ppl. Wake up. The day of the SUV is over. So there will be NO crashes with an SUV. Plus, my wife has a Z-4 and the insurance is cheaper than on my chevy due to crash worthiness.
Here are the challenges facing small cars.
Americans are obese so wont fit in them.
Americans wont lose weight for any reason
American think they DESERVE to drive a big car.
Americans thing they deserve to be comfy.
No one is going to suddenly come up with an add on thing to make your truck or SUV get great mileage. ITS OVER>
I had to lose weight and 30 pounds later was so suprised how easily I can get into her sports car. What a difference. IMAGINE THAT>
I love to eat and its a challenge every day. Well maybe a choice.
The naysayers are so funny. GIVE US A HIGH MILEAGE CAR they scream. Someone does it and they say, WE WANT A BIG ONE as we DESERVE it and cant FIT in anything else because WE cannot control our urges.
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