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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

You might want to read this article and consider how much dining out impacts global carbon emissions. From my standpoint, it's not something that very many people discuss- I'd like to get the word out and press our restaurants to use locally grown food as much as possible. It makes sense to support your regional markets, doesn't it? I'd feel better since the alternative is a meal with a (potentially) much higher carbon footprint.

[edit - topic moved to Environment Forum - markl]
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

skiptamali wrote:
It makes sense to support your regional markets, doesn't it?


Not really.

Where will you get the right flour, with the right gluten content, for pizza...puff pastry...pasta? They're different.

How about fresh fruits and vegetables? It's one thing to get produce in California, and quite another to get it in Maine...during the winter.

Did you notice most restaurants get preprocessed foods from Sysco and other food wholesalers? They don't make apple pie filling - they buy it in 17 Kg buckets. Where did those apples come from? Probably not locally.

The changes will be wrenching...
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

We will soon be kissing fresh fruits and veggies in winter goodbye, that is those of us in the upper latitudes. Get used to potatoes and sour kraut.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Stop this talk about carbon emissions stuff. Or the bee die off, or anything else that is slow and ominous ! I want a meteorite ! Smile
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

From reading the link, I think the '100 times more' was an unfair comparison. It compares eating out with carefully chosen local produce when 'eating in'. How common is the latter situation, really? If you buy a frozen meal to eat at home (very common), all the steps in bringing it to the frozen stage produce CO2. If you also bring it home by car, you add extra CO2, compared to walking or going by public transport to a restaurant, if that is an option.

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We will soon be kissing fresh fruits and veggies in winter goodbye, that is those of us in the upper latitudes. Get used to potatoes and sour kraut.'


Yes, that how it used to be. In Minnesota with many people descended from Swedish immigrants, Christmas traditions involve 'dried fruit compote' or 'dried fruit soup'. When the Swedes arrived there around 1880, they were used to no fresh fruit in winter, but there might be dehydrated fruit, so that is what they had for dessert for Christmas, the big winter holiday.
When I was a child in Sweden in the 1950s, dried fruit compote had lost status in become an ordinary, weekday dessert. For Christmas, we had special fresh fruit - fresh pineapple was an once-a-year treat. Oranges and bananas (both store well and can easily be shipped by boat) were common all year.
Today people in Sweden buy fresh tropical fruit, pineapple, mangoe, papaya, and many others, all year around. And apples from New Zealand, pears and plums from the USA, grapes from South Africa.

Yes, we might have to return to potatoes and cabbage in winter - both are actually good sources of Vitamin C, so nutritionally it is quite OK, although boring. Although I do not think in will be 'soon' - I optimistically believe in a soft landing, and believe we will be able to import oranges from southern Europe for a long time yet, a century or so at least. And storing techniques for apples have improved, so Swedish apples (and pears) can be like fresh right up to the next harvest.

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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 11:21 am    Post subject: Re: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Jack wrote:


The changes will be wrenching...


One might even say gut-wrenching!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Has anyone ever done a study on pizza delivery and it's effect on the planet? Those boxes are never made of recycled cardboard, cars or trucks deliver them, and ovens go at high temps for at least 12 hours per day.
Just curious!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Having a good time Carbon Emissions
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Well duh, dining out is more carbon (energy) intensive. But I wouldn't jump on the bandwagon yet. This is another example of generalization. If you shop at a grocery store, you are already eating "3000 mile salads" and whatnot. Our entire food distribution system is energy intensive.

When I was a kid, my grandmother used to can fruit. We had pear, apple, cherry and peach trees nearby. The house next store used to be an orchid at one point and thus we had a plethora of apples in the summertime, which we used to make cider, pies, etc, with. Anyway, my grandmother would can some things in mason jars for the winter. That's the way people used to have certain foods in the winter; they had preservation techniques. The way it used to be - no fresh fruit or veggies in out of season.

Still, eating at home is better. I can make better food at home than just about anything I've had in most any restaurant anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Part of the problem with dining out is how much food is wasted in restaurants. For one thing, they usually give you too much food these days, so not all of that is eaten. Then they have to keep a certain amount of food in inventory, because God forbid you should order something and they'll be out of it. If it's a food bar kind of place, they must keep all of those dishes topped off and some of it dries in the pan, so that gets pitched. It wouldn't be so much of a problem, if it weren't for all that shipping, as you've already discussed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:40 am    Post subject: Re: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

skiptamali wrote:
You might want to read this article and consider how much dining out impacts global carbon emissions. From my standpoint, it's not something that very many people discuss- I'd like to get the word out and press our restaurants to use locally grown food as much as possible. It makes sense to support your regional markets, doesn't it? I'd feel better since the alternative is a meal with a (potentially) much higher carbon footprint.

[edit - topic moved to Environment Forum - markl]


The restaraunts many time pass off inferior or tainted foods and want tons of money for it. I'd rather prepare my own.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

albente wrote:


Put on some weight when TEOTWAK arrives you wont have much fat storage


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Re: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

News flash, breathing contributes to carbon emissions.

Really, go after the LOW hanging fruit first. Let's not demonize basic activities like eating.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:56 am    Post subject: Re: Dining Out Seriously Contributes to Carbon Emissions Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Who the hell cares about carbon emissions? Don't worry, when oil production goes into free fall so will CO2 output! We're saved! Oh hang on- we're starving.
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