I will believe the Saudis don't see any upcoming problems with Ghawar when they cancel one of their projects due to low oil prices. If they continue to be full steam ahead with increasing their capacity then I think they are aware that Ghawar may not be as robust in 5 years time as they would like us to believe.
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: burning man road trip (anecdotal evidence of climate change)
Just got back from burning man (its kinda of an annual road trip I take), and just thought I'd share with ya all that there were lots of duststorms all along highway 395 from mono lake down past the owens valley.
I also stopped awhile and checking out some of the lakes (like lake
crowley) and takled to some of the ranchers in the area and they
mentioned that there were lots of problems with water.
I've been roadtripping in that area for 20+ years and have never seen it this dry. Basically I'm pretty convinced that very soon water officials are going to have to face the fact, that they will be forced to tell the public in California cities to restrict outdoor water useage for trivial stuff like lawns.
I've been kinda concerned with water issues for quite a while now, and have formed my own adaptions to a future in California where water will be treated with more respect, just thought I'd share some water saving ideas that are working out for me...
which is in the san diego area. _________________ "I'm 100% sure that unsustainable conspicuous consumption of natural basic resources will eventually lead to a proverbial hell on earth for those people who get stuck with the mismanagement mess of mankind not being stewards of the environment!"
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: burning man road trip (anecdotal evidence of climate cha
Thanks.
No evidence is needed; everybody agrees that the climate is changing, has changed in the past, and will change in the future.
I haven't met one person who disputes that concept. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: Re: burning man road trip (anecdotal evidence of climate cha
Fortunately the current drought is still in the same league as the 1977 & 1988 droughts. Unfortunately, the droughts here are driven by solar minimums & the current solar minimum is the longest in over 100 years. _________________ People first, then things, then dollars.
There will be enslavement, cannibalism, & zombie invasions.
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: burning man road trip (anecdotal evidence of climate cha
Golgo13 wrote:
Methinks he was referring to recent climate change, which is unprecedented and likely in large to be anthropogenic.
You can't know at all that recent climate change is "unprecedented". That's unadulterated conjecture, unless you have the history of earth's climate in 30 year increments going back 8 billion years.
We disagree that it's "likely" to be "in large [part]" anthropogenic.
When they can predict the climate change they're talking about, I'll look more closely.
As for right now, they had to change their label from the disprovable "global warming" to the universally agreed upon "climate change."
Too many variables. CO2 does not correlate with temps.
Bottom line, it's uncertain there's anything we can do anyway. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group.
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: burning man road trip (anecdotal evidence of climate cha
phaster wrote:
I also stopped awhile and checking out some of the lakes (like lake
crowley) and takled to some of the ranchers in the area and they
mentioned that there were lots of problems with water.
How were you able to chat with some of the ranchers? I'll guess you stopped to eat at Tom's Place. Thanks for the thread, very interesting. _________________ "When men yield up the privilege of thinking, the last shadow of liberty quits the horizon."
Thomas Paine
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: Re: burning man road trip (anecdotal evidence of climate cha
phaster wrote:
Just got back from burning man (its kinda of an annual road trip I take), and just thought I'd share with ya all that there were lots of duststorms all along highway 395 from mono lake down past the owens valley.
I also stopped awhile and checking out some of the lakes (like lake
crowley) and takled to some of the ranchers in the area and they
mentioned that there were lots of problems with water.
I've been roadtripping in that area for 20+ years and have never seen it this dry. Basically I'm pretty convinced that very soon water officials are going to have to face the fact, that they will be forced to tell the public in California cities to restrict outdoor water useage for trivial stuff like lawns.
I've been kinda concerned with water issues for quite a while now, and have formed my own adaptions to a future in California where water will be treated with more respect, just thought I'd share some water saving ideas that are working out for me...
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: burning man road trip (anecdotal evidence of climate cha
vision-master wrote:
phaster wrote:
Just got back from burning man (its kinda of an annual road trip I take), and just thought I'd share with ya all that there were lots of duststorms all along highway 395 from mono lake down past the owens valley.
I also stopped awhile and checking out some of the lakes (like lake
crowley) and takled to some of the ranchers in the area and they
mentioned that there were lots of problems with water.
I've been roadtripping in that area for 20+ years and have never seen it this dry. Basically I'm pretty convinced that very soon water officials are going to have to face the fact, that they will be forced to tell the public in California cities to restrict outdoor water useage for trivial stuff like lawns.
I've been kinda concerned with water issues for quite a while now, and have formed my own adaptions to a future in California where water will be treated with more respect, just thought I'd share some water saving ideas that are working out for me...
although the opportunity was there, I've never partaken of acid, smoked pot, taken methylenedioxymethamphetamine (aka ecstasy), LSD, etc. Basically I'm kind of square with semi-rounded edges when it comes to the typical burning man crowd (if there is such a thing as a typical burning man participant)
dunewalker wrote:
phaster wrote:
I also stopped awhile and checking out some of the lakes (like lake
crowley) and takled to some of the ranchers in the area and they
mentioned that there were lots of problems with water.
How were you able to chat with some of the ranchers? I'll guess you stopped to eat at Tom's Place. Thanks for the thread, very interesting.
Tom's place was indeed one of the stops I made on the way, been making that stop for years because that's the turn off for the cross country skiing snow park.
Basically when I drive up to burning man, I've always manage to take the back roads and by pass reno. So depending upon my mood I'll either turn off at bridgport or at topaz lake and drive thru the smith valley area. That area also looked pretty darn dry, lots of the fields were not as green as I've seen them in the past and lots of the small rivers and streams were in a word "dry" _________________ "I'm 100% sure that unsustainable conspicuous consumption of natural basic resources will eventually lead to a proverbial hell on earth for those people who get stuck with the mismanagement mess of mankind not being stewards of the environment!"
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