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roccman
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:14 am    Post subject: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Hot water heater died after 15 years.

Most effecient HWH (30-50 gallon range)?

Solar?

Thanks in advance.

(note to pops: I can guess that there are reams of info on this topic in the planning thread...as soon as admin gets the search feature fix I am sure I would not have to have started a new thread...until then...)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:25 am    Post subject: Re: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Plumb it into your woodstove. Don't waste your $ buying back into a collapsing sytem. Any old tank that isn't leaking will do nicely for this, mounted higher on the wall than the stove...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

On-demand (aka tankless) water heaters are awesome. It's one of those ridiculous American extravagance things to store up 30 gallons of hot water just in case you might want to take a shower at some point in the day. On demand heaters use a lot less energy because they don't heat the water until you're ready to use it. A side benefit is that you never have to worry about running out of hot water.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:27 am    Post subject: Re: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

220V electric.

Cheap, probably good for 15 years, during which the power will probably be on.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Re: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

smallpoxgirl wrote:
On-demand (aka tankless) water heaters are awesome.


I've heard they work well when natural-gas-fired. Not so well when electric.

Unfortunately, that counts us out for using them.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:45 am    Post subject: Re: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

dunewalker wrote:
Plumb it into your woodstove. Don't waste your $ buying back into a collapsing sytem. Any old tank that isn't leaking will do nicely for this, mounted higher on the wall than the stove...


Any suggestions on where people can get the coil needed for this? Seems to me that's something best stocked up on now rather than scavenged out of parts post-collapse.

I'd like to get the coil now so that I have it when I'm ready to install a woodstove water heater soon as I have a house to install it in...

By the way folks, the system Dunewalker is talking about works WONDERFULLY -- a brief fire in the morning heats a full tank of water -- enough for showers and dishes with more left over...

Also, don't overlook the passive method -- a black hose or small black tank sitting outside in the sunlight. Rig it to feed back indoors and you're sitting pretty for hot water.

Worth doing IMO.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Lehman's sells parts to do the wood stove route, though you can probably find them cheaper elsewhere. I highly recommend this book, though:

Hot Water from your Woodstove

Very important to ensure pressure doesn't cause explosion. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

FoolYap wrote:
I've heard they work well when natural-gas-fired. Not so well when electric.


The one I've worked with was propane powered. It worked very nicely. Used no energy at all until you were ready to use it and then would provide very hot water for as long as you needed it. The only thing that was a little tweaky was that it senses flow to know when to turn on. If you were trying to wash your hands or something, you couldn't get just a trickle of hot water. You had to turn the water on a little more to get the heater to trigger.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:59 am    Post subject: Re: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'd seriously consider a rocket stove. The small one I saw boiled a pan of hot water in about 2 minutes using a bit of scrap wood. The same size pan (about 12 pints) took 9.5 minutes on our large double gas ring!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I hate plumbing!!!!!!! Copper breaks after a couple bends...(add to notes I took over the past 2 decades on other HWH installs!!!!)

arghhhhhhhhhh!!!

ok - centered...breathing regularly now...cops have left...

Thanks everyone...!!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Personally, I would prefer to have a redundant system of a waterback for the woodstove (we don't have a waterback) and a solar water heating system.

We'll be installing a solar water heater when we finish our south porch.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I have actually considered disconnecting my hot water heater altogether. Cold showers during our long, long summer and just use a washcloth in the winter. More elbow grease when washing dishes (I don't have an electric dishwasher).

And in winter I always keep a pot of hot water on the woodstove (a low-tech version of Dune's advice), so I'd have some hot water then. But in summertime, forget it---can't fire up that woodstove, ever!

I would have done this by now, but my companion won't hear of it (and the deal is he buys most of the food and I pay the electric bill---a darned good deal for me, so far at least).

Wonder why we call it a hot water heater? Could it be a cold water heater?? (English is so strange.)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Here's a pic of my solar water heater; we had it installed a couple of years ago, and it has been working beautifully!

It costs about $700 usd. here in Mexico, and it holds about 130 lts.

[img]http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01535bt5.jpg[/img]
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: A little help please...hot water heater... Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Check this thread:
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