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| When will oil begin to rise to $200 |
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40% |
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20% |
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18% |
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4% |
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10% |
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4% |
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2% |
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zoidberg Intermediate Crude


Joined: Feb 23, 2005 Posts: 511 Location: Winnipeg
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: When does the next leg up in prices start? |
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To heck with this how low can it go talk. We know whats up around here.
modified to include never option. I tried to modify the poll question anyways. Didnt seem to take.
To be fair, including "never" votes.
Total votes never: 1.
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smallpoxgirl Moderator


Joined: Nov 08, 2004 Posts: 6278
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? |
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Yesterday. _________________ "So while you sit and whistle Dixie with your money and your power.
I can hear the flowers a-growin in the rubble of the towers.
I hear leaders quit their lying
I hear babies quit their crying.
I hear soldiers quit their dying, one and all." - OCMS |
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eastbay Moderator


Joined: Dec 18, 2004 Posts: 4868 Location: One Mile From the Columbia River
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? |
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| smallpoxgirl wrote: | | Yesterday. |
What she said. Yup. All aboard!! This train is now departing... _________________ Got Dharma?
Everything is Impermanent. Shakyamuni Buddha |
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lorenzo Fission


Joined: Jan 01, 2005 Posts: 2210
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? |
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You didn't include the option: "never". It would only be fair to include that choice.
My bet is that the tiny upticks we're going to see over the coming year, are going to be tiny bubbles fueled by geopolitical news. All these bubbles will be occuring on a grand downward trend to $70-80.
Only after we've hit that point, might there be a gradual increase in prices towards a long term plateau as massive alternatives and renewables keep coming online and electrification of personal transport begins to mass-penetrate the market, and as conservation and efficiency are beginning to do their work.
"Never". _________________ The Beginning is Near! |
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Cashmere Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Mar 27, 2008 Posts: 1971
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? |
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2 bucks a day for 3 weeks and we're at 150.
Very possible. _________________ Massive Human Dieoff must occur as a result of Peak Oil. Many more than half will die. It will occur everywhere, including where you live. If you fail to recognize this, then your odds of living move toward the "going to die" group. |
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DantesPeak Expert


Joined: Oct 23, 2004 Posts: 5928 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? |
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Last Monday, when every energy 'analyst' in the major media stated that the price would keep dropping because of bearish trends - despite indications demand was increasing (due to lower prices) and supplies falling (for example, the bombed BTC pipeline).
If the BTC pipeline is shut for good (not a prediction), then we have new highs before the end of the year. _________________ It's already over, now it's just a matter of adjusting. |
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joewp Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Apr 05, 2005 Posts: 1643 Location: Springsteen Country (NJ)
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? |
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| lorenzo wrote: |
Only after we've hit that point, might there be a gradual increase in prices towards a long term plateau as massive alternatives and renewables keep coming online and electrification of personal transport begins to mass-penetrate the market, and as conservation and efficiency are beginning to do their work.
"Never". |
Conservation and efficiency will just lead to the use of more oil, not less. Ever hear of William Jevons and his paradox?
Not to mention that all the so-called alternatives are only viable with a cheap oil infrastructure, and about the only "personal transport" available to most people in the future will be shank's mare.
You got to give up the Popular Mechanics stuff, Lorenzo. They were wrong about flying cars too.
 _________________ Joe P. United Political Debate
"Only when the last tree is cut; only when the last river is polluted; only when the last fish is caught; only then will they realize that you cannot eat money." - Cree Indian Proverb |
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GoghGoner Heavy Crude


Joined: Apr 10, 2008 Posts: 492
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? |
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| With the airlines, car industry, truckers, governments going broke at 120-140 oil, I don't see it making it past the 160 mark until supply (world exports) fall quite a bit more -- I guess 2010 Q3 but it could come a year earlier or a two years later depending on how the geopolitical factors weigh in. |
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heroineworshipper Intermediate Crude


Joined: Jul 14, 2006 Posts: 723 Location: Calif*
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? |
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Yesterday's downgrade of Freddie Fannie caused a 5% rise. When social security goes, that's going to be a 1000% rise. _________________ People first, then things, then dollars.
There will be enslavement, cannibalism, & zombie invasions. |
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TreebeardsUncle Intermediate Crude

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Joined: Jun 15, 2006 Posts: 598
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? |
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Said q2 09. Oil falls in the late summer and fall, and starts coming back in the winter. By next spring we should be on the next big ramp up which will lead to the price surpassing $200, in the summer of 010, after another drop off next late summer fall and early winter.
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Oil_be_alroit Tar Sands


Joined: Jun 18, 2008 Posts: 29
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? |
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| lorenzo wrote: | | My bet is that the tiny upticks we're going to see over the coming year, are going to be tiny bubbles fueled by geopolitical news. All these bubbles will be occuring on a grand downward trend to $70-80. |
I don't believe we'll ever see that sort of numbers again. The Russians are very happy to see prices above $100 - improves their trade balance considerably and OPEC has been talking about reducing production to keep prices above $100.
I remember seeing a documentary about one of the smaller Persian Gulf states quite a few years back. There was a sheikh dressed in a nice Armani suit, speaking in a posh English accent about how the only resource his country had was oil and that he worried about the day it would run out - would they have earnt enough money to transform his country? Then he said these words: "I weep for every barrel of oil we sell for less than $100." |
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Concerned Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Sep 23, 2004 Posts: 1548
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? |
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| GoghGoner wrote: | | With the airlines, car industry, truckers, governments going broke at 120-140 oil, I don't see it making it past the 160 mark until supply (world exports) fall quite a bit more -- I guess 2010 Q3 but it could come a year earlier or a two years later depending on how the geopolitical factors weigh in. |
If Ben can get the helicopters going who knows how high oil can get?
If the money supply for joe six pack, (we all know the rich barstards get bailout after bailout) increases then the skys the limit ask a Zimbabwean. _________________ "Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box."
-Italian Proverb |
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Plantagenet Expert


Joined: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 6270 Location: Alaska (its much bigger than Texas).
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? |
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People haven't given up on inventing a flying car. |
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yesplease Fission


Joined: Oct 03, 2006 Posts: 2482
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? |
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| joewp wrote: | | Conservation and efficiency will just lead to the use of more oil, not less. Ever hear of William Jevons and his paradox? | Conservation won't lead to the use of more resources since it can't by definition. Efficiency may increase the rate of use compared to doing nothing but for the most part it doesn't. Seeing a rebound effect greater than 100%, ie Jevon's Paradox/the Khazzoom-Brookes Postulate is rare. _________________
| Professor Membrane wrote: | | Not now son! I'm making...TOAST! |
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