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When will oil begin to rise to $200
now
40%
 40%  [ 20 ]
q1 2009
20%
 20%  [ 10 ]
q2 2009
18%
 18%  [ 9 ]
q3 2009
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
q4 2009
10%
 10%  [ 5 ]
q1 2010
0%
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q2 2010
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
q3 2010
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
q4 2010
2%
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:54 pm    Post subject: When does the next leg up in prices start? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

To heck with this how low can it go talk. We know whats up around here.

modified to include never option. I tried to modify the poll question anyways. Didnt seem to take.

To be fair, including "never" votes.

Total votes never: 1.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

smallpoxgirl wrote:
Yesterday.



What she said. Yup. All aboard!! This train is now departing...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

You didn't include the option: "never". It would only be fair to include that choice.

My bet is that the tiny upticks we're going to see over the coming year, are going to be tiny bubbles fueled by geopolitical news. All these bubbles will be occuring on a grand downward trend to $70-80.

Only after we've hit that point, might there be a gradual increase in prices towards a long term plateau as massive alternatives and renewables keep coming online and electrification of personal transport begins to mass-penetrate the market, and as conservation and efficiency are beginning to do their work.

"Never".
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

2 bucks a day for 3 weeks and we're at 150.

Very possible.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:33 pm    Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Last Monday, when every energy 'analyst' in the major media stated that the price would keep dropping because of bearish trends - despite indications demand was increasing (due to lower prices) and supplies falling (for example, the bombed BTC pipeline).

If the BTC pipeline is shut for good (not a prediction), then we have new highs before the end of the year.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

lorenzo wrote:

Only after we've hit that point, might there be a gradual increase in prices towards a long term plateau as massive alternatives and renewables keep coming online and electrification of personal transport begins to mass-penetrate the market, and as conservation and efficiency are beginning to do their work.

"Never".


Conservation and efficiency will just lead to the use of more oil, not less. Ever hear of William Jevons and his paradox?

Not to mention that all the so-called alternatives are only viable with a cheap oil infrastructure, and about the only "personal transport" available to most people in the future will be shank's mare.

You got to give up the Popular Mechanics stuff, Lorenzo. They were wrong about flying cars too.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

With the airlines, car industry, truckers, governments going broke at 120-140 oil, I don't see it making it past the 160 mark until supply (world exports) fall quite a bit more -- I guess 2010 Q3 but it could come a year earlier or a two years later depending on how the geopolitical factors weigh in.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:28 pm    Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Yesterday's downgrade of Freddie Fannie caused a 5% rise. When social security goes, that's going to be a 1000% rise.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:42 pm    Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Said q2 09. Oil falls in the late summer and fall, and starts coming back in the winter. By next spring we should be on the next big ramp up which will lead to the price surpassing $200, in the summer of 010, after another drop off next late summer fall and early winter.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

lorenzo wrote:
My bet is that the tiny upticks we're going to see over the coming year, are going to be tiny bubbles fueled by geopolitical news. All these bubbles will be occuring on a grand downward trend to $70-80.


I don't believe we'll ever see that sort of numbers again. The Russians are very happy to see prices above $100 - improves their trade balance considerably and OPEC has been talking about reducing production to keep prices above $100.

I remember seeing a documentary about one of the smaller Persian Gulf states quite a few years back. There was a sheikh dressed in a nice Armani suit, speaking in a posh English accent about how the only resource his country had was oil and that he worried about the day it would run out - would they have earnt enough money to transform his country? Then he said these words: "I weep for every barrel of oil we sell for less than $100."
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

GoghGoner wrote:
With the airlines, car industry, truckers, governments going broke at 120-140 oil, I don't see it making it past the 160 mark until supply (world exports) fall quite a bit more -- I guess 2010 Q3 but it could come a year earlier or a two years later depending on how the geopolitical factors weigh in.


If Ben can get the helicopters going who knows how high oil can get?

If the money supply for joe six pack, (we all know the rich barstards get bailout after bailout) increases then the skys the limit ask a Zimbabwean.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:36 am    Post subject: Re: When does the next leg up in prices start? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

joewp wrote:
Conservation and efficiency will just lead to the use of more oil, not less. Ever hear of William Jevons and his paradox?
Conservation won't lead to the use of more resources since it can't by definition. Efficiency may increase the rate of use compared to doing nothing but for the most part it doesn't. Seeing a rebound effect greater than 100%, ie Jevon's Paradox/the Khazzoom-Brookes Postulate is rare.
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