I will believe the Saudis don't see any upcoming problems with Ghawar when they cancel one of their projects due to low oil prices. If they continue to be full steam ahead with increasing their capacity then I think they are aware that Ghawar may not be as robust in 5 years time as they would like us to believe.
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:17 am Post subject: Britian and Australian gun owners speak out
May be old, but its a good listen nonetheless.
Yes, its from the NRA's site which would obviously have a slightly biased view and as such make a video supporting their end, but all the same the video should be a warning to the more gun friendly countries.
One must always stand vigilant to retain our freedoms, especially in the face of those who would use underhanded tactics to attempt to enslave us as subjects rather then keep us as citizens.
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Then Video Archive (upper right), then Gun owners Overseas. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
New here’s a controversial subject. Okay, on one hand we have an over prescriptive Labour government in the UK that likes to ban everything and regulate everything to a hilt. Many industries and special interest areas are swimming in red tape ATM.
In the UK guns were only ever owned by people that like gun sports (Shooting, hunting etc) and criminals. Most people never see or handle a gun from one year to a next. I’ve never handled a loaded gun and only seen a gun a handful of times in my life.
On the hunting front, it’s just been banned, and topically they’re all out today on a mass lawbreaking protest
The moral decline in this country has its route in many areas that are still open for debate. Some would argue poor parenting, others liberal rights for many without responsibility, for others capitalist values, others see immigration as the root. Highly controversial stuff indeed!
But no, guns are not part of the UK culture and most even most policemen do not carry guns, so it’s a minority interest, despite the picture the video paints.
But no, guns are not part of the UK culture and most even most policemen do not carry guns, so it’s a minority interest, despite the picture the video paints.
I certainly realize its a minority interst, I just think its very unfair to punish the minority in this way. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
They are doing the same with hunting at the moment, and fishing and factory farming will no doubt follow.
The gun laws come from an incident at a Scottish school where a mad man shot a class of school kids. So, like much of what goes on in this country there was an 'over reaction', then you get law coming out of the woodwork.
It's happened in many other others: Healthcare, Transport, Food scares EG Mad cow disease, Hunting, various political scandals.
A lot of it is driven by our media who know a good story when they see one. This government in particular gets very scared of voter reaction, so laws and policy get changed over night to suit.
We saw it with Dunblane and gun laws, Tax on fuel with the Fuel protests so on and so forth.
I take a 'freedom' approach to most of these things and an overall view of the greater good. And frankly gun sports and fishing affects very few - it's a non issue. I don't like cruelty, but these are minor things in the grand scheme of things. There are far more 'immoral' things, arguably factory farming etc, but yet we all like cheap food. A lot of this stuff is when it suits.
I take a 'freedom' approach to most of these things and an overall view of the greater good. And frankly gun sports and fishing affects very few - it's a non issue. I don't like cruelty, but these are minor things in the grand scheme of things. There are far more 'immoral' things, arguably factory farming etc, but yet we all like cheap food. A lot of this stuff is when it suits.
I'm sorry to say, but thats exactly the views that allow them to slowly erode Rights over time. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
We never had a formal right to bare arms in this country, unlike the US. There are licenses to carry arms, but never a right as such.
Recently there has been a great deal of public support for Norfolk farmer Tony Martin who shot a burglar in what he says was self defence.
Believe it or not, in this country you have a legal duty to protect trespassers on your property. So as you can see this is a complex issue.
Some would like to see citizenship instead of people as subjects of the crown, which is bizarre in a country as modern as this. We could then think about what would go in the written constitution, baring arms might be one of the things, although I doubt public opinion would back that. Only 25% of people would carry a firearm if it was legal, polls tells us, and a minority believe the police should carry weapons.
I am totally for the rights of minorities, although on this particular issue I cannot see how the minority are going to be able to get their way. I think there is far more concern for ID cards and 'house arrest' rules without trial, all thanks to terrorism created arguably through government policy over the years.
They are doing the same with hunting at the moment, and fishing and factory farming will no doubt follow.
I highly doubt fishing is going to get banned any time soon, for a start it's less of a "class" issue, and whatever the pro-hunting lobby say it's a past time of the "landed gentry" by and large. Compare that with fishing: My brother and his mates go fishing now and then, you can't get much further from the landed gentry than my family (and, by the way, I wouldn't have it any other way).
And factory farming's what keeps the super markets stocked with meat at the prices we see, ban that and suddenly a lot of people on a lower income can't afford a lot of the food in the shops. Not good.
I've got a mixed view on fox hunting. If the fox is a pest, kill it in a more efficient and less barbaric way than tearing it apart with a pack of dogs. Use a gun. Scotland banned hunting a good few years before we did, and the number of dead foxes went up, because they chased them towards a couple of blokes with guns. Fewer pests around, which is what it's supposed to be all about.
Joined: Aug 15, 2004 Posts: 89 Location: 1 AU from Sol
Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:59 pm Post subject:
Nice link Wildwell, I had no idea The Hunt was still so widely popular.
I actually had a really nice post here about 2 hrs ago, then my ISP crashed and I lost it all - just as I hit SUBMIT!
Anyways, the bottom line is, you can't compare the US and it's Right to Bear Arms with anywhere else, because I think you'd find it difficult to locate somewhere else where the founding principals were so well thought out. Tom and John and them were a bunch of pretty smart guys for fellows who liked to wear wigs! I said it a bit better under the post "Gun confiscation is Austrailia (Who says it never happens)"(sic).
Anyway....I'd like to see the following pilot program put into action world wide.....
Any wanna-be-Citizens (nothing derogatory meant here!) living elsewhere in the world, if you are upstanding and law abidiing, line up and come to the US if you'd like to be able to exercise your God given right to a firearm. For each of you that would like to be a Citizen, there will be a minimum of 10 wanna-be-subjects who will be sent to the supposed utopian society of their choice elsewhere in the world.
I think this makes perfect sense - those who'd like to have guns can be here in the US, and live with all the responsibilities, advantages, and drawbacks that would be entailed with gun ownership. Those that do not want to live with that can live elsewhere - under the rule of whomever can scratch their way to the top and hold onto the power.......
Remember the Golden Rule of History: Those with the weapons make the rules. When the people have weapons, they make the rules, or atleast control those who do. When the government is the only one with the weapons........ well an armed man is a Citizen, an unarmed man is a peasant, or a subject. _________________ "Don't close your eyes before the crash....you'll miss the best part!" - my driving instructor.
9 out of 10 voices in my head told me to stay home and clean my guns today.
Yes again.
We must stand ALWAYS vigilant to defend our Rights. To look away just once, and they may be gone. _________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
In all fairness the fox hunting is much bigger that. An issue I have to say I am completely indifferent to. But, it’s really about class warfare and town v country.
It goes a lot deeper the mere hunting of foxes. This widespread challenge to a law made by a democratically elected government is going to be a big headache. Why? Well if people are locked up for not paying the TV license and are fined heavily for parking offences and yet others can flout the law what sort of message does that give out? All laws are useless without the widespread support of the people.
The pro hunt people are already restricting access by the army from their land and have threatened restrictions for access to sites with power, water supply and transport interests.
Meanwhile townsfolk have threatened to boycott country goods, tourist spots and we may even see widespread law breaking in other areas.
I’m afraid this is what happens when a ‘minority’ get their way.
Joined: Aug 15, 2004 Posts: 89 Location: 1 AU from Sol
Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:13 pm Post subject:
I see where you're coming from in this.....you also mentioned Transport in some of these law making schemes. Can you briefly elaborate what has been done there? Thanks, its a bent of mine...... _________________ "Don't close your eyes before the crash....you'll miss the best part!" - my driving instructor.
9 out of 10 voices in my head told me to stay home and clean my guns today.
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