Hoarding is exactly what the government is doing right now by filling the SPR, and frankly it's the best thing that could happen. It drives prices up. High prices encourage demand destruction. They also finance new well development. The hoarded oil gives us a buffer to fall back on once shortages become more prevalent. High prices are what we need in order to adapt to what's coming, and the sooner they happen, the better.
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:15 pm Post subject: 'Madmen at the Helm' Monte Myers
I read Monte's book, Madmen at the Helm, prior to the 2004 Christmas holidays. I've been re-reading it (when I have the time) and doing my own research. (Peak Oil and related issus are starting to suck up too much of my time... sigh, but it's worth it.)
Monte provides some interesting insights into the past wars and the people behind them. A few years ago I picked up Pearl Harbor: Day of Deceit, so it isn't entirely news to me that there is lots that goes on that isn't disseminated to the general public or included in our history books.
The thing I'm having the most trouble with from Monte's book is the inner circle, CFR and collectivist angle. I'm still trying to educate myself on it and corroborate from other sources. Lately I've been doing my own research on the CFR, because Monte's allegations are radical... and by radical I mean "Departing markedly from the usual or customary".
On page 8 he quotes that the CFR was founded for:
“the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government.”
but no reference is provided for the quote... Monte where does this quote come from? I know it's not on the CFR website
In general, it's a very good read, I recommend it. _________________ Do not underestimate the difficulties of surviving the transition of peak oil, nor the dangers of global warming. We must embrace nuclear energy and renewables.
Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: "Madmen at the Helm" Monte Myers
FatherOfTwo wrote:
The thing I'm having the most trouble with from Monte's book is the inner circle, CFR and collectivist angle. I'm still trying to educate myself on it and corroborate from other sources. Lately I've been doing my own research on the CFR, because Monte's allegations are radical... and by radical I mean "Departing markedly from the usual or customary".
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it! Your "trouble" is quite understandable. Here's a quote from David Rockefeller, chairman of the CFR from 1970-1985.
Quote:
"We're grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government."
He spoke these words in 1991 in Germany while addressing a sister organization, the Bilderbergers. As to the globalist goals of the CFR, note the words of CFR member Richard N. Gardner, who in a 1974 Foreign Affairs(CFR publication) article titled "The Hard Road to World Order" wrote:
Quote:
"In short, the 'house of world order' will have to be built from the bottom up rather than the top down. It will look like a great 'booming, bussing confusion,' to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault."
FatherOfTwo wrote:
On page 8 he quotes that the CFR was founded for:
“the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government.”
but no reference is provided for the quote... Monte where does this quote come from? I know it's not on the CFR website
In general, it's a very good read, I recommend it.
This quote is from Admiral Chester Ward in "Kissinger on the Couch," 1975. Ward was a CFR member who resigned in disgust after 16 years. He also wrote, “This lust to surrender the sovereignty and independence of the United States is pervasive throughout most of the memberships. The leadership is composed of the one-world-global-government ideologists — more respectfully referred to as the organized internationalists."
Here’s another quote along those same lines:
Quote:
"The Council on Foreign Relations is "the establishment." Not only does it have influence and power in key decision-making positions at the highest levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it also announces and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high level decisions for converting the U.S. from a sovereign Constitutional Republic into a servile member state of a one-world dictatorship." — Congressman John Rarick, 1971
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Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:50 am Post subject:
Just finished reading "Madmen at the Helm." Taken as a whole, I believe it contains valuable information and would recommend it to anyone who is seriously interested in peak oil.
The one weak point is the is the attempt by Monte to build a conspiracy theory around the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He needs to provide a great deal more evidence to support his theory. It is hard for me to believe that an organization whose membership includes Donald Rumsfeld, Andrew Young, and Bill Moyers could mount a unity of effort in any direction, particularly one that proposes ceding national (and individual) authority to a worldwide governing council.
Also, I could pick nits with Monte's depiction of how the US became entangled in World War II. In general, however, he assumption that Roosevelt positioned the US to join that war is ultimately correct.
What really resonated with me was his statement on page 98 regarding the War on Terrorism:
"Rather than war, I would like to think that the best thing we could do to prevent another attack, would be to reduce this animosity towards America by examining what Muslim extremists are complaining about, what arguments al Qaeda's recruiters are using-and what can be done to destroy their arguments and cut the ground from under the fundamentalists."
This has been my thinking since 9/11. We aren't going to solve this problem militarily. Continuing the current policy will mean many more years of terrorist attacks which we will be nearly powerless to prevent. Reminds me of what happened during the 200 years the Brits ruled India.
Monte's next paragraph on the same page is also spot-on:
"Muslim societies are also increasingly resentful of our efforts to induce them to adopt our values, so we must also move away from the assertion that our values are "universal," while standing by our commintments to human rights and democracy. They see the export of our pop culture through the media and the Internet-which the Muslim world views as "nasty"-as a direct affront to their religious values."
Beautifully said.
I agree with Monte's conclusion, that only hope lies in using the remaining fossil fuels to create "a world of modest, bio-regionally organized communities living on received solar energy." This, however, represents a 180 degree change in direction. I have little hope that this can be achieved peacefully, probably not even through violent revolution.
I might get flamed for this, but it might be possible to achieve this transition if it were overseen by an all-powerful world council, Monte's worst nightmare. Then again, it is highly optimistic of me to think that a supreme world council would work for the betterment of mankind rather than pursuing their own interests. My reading of history tells me that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The one weak point is the is the attempt by Monte to build a conspiracy theory around the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). He needs to provide a great deal more evidence to support his theory. It is hard for me to believe that an organization whose membership includes Donald Rumsfeld, Andrew Young, and Bill Moyers could mount a unity of effort in any direction, particularly one that proposes ceding national (and individual) authority to a worldwide governing council.
Thanks for the review! It was not my intent to portray the CFR as anything more than an organizational arm of a deeper "ruling elite." And as to certain members mounting a "unity of effort", remember this sentence from my book about the status of many members: "For the most part, they are merely opportunists who view this organization as a high level employment agency. "
Just keep your head up an watch what they do. They do not try to hide very much any more.
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject:
I'm much more fearful of the American Enterprise Institute, the home of the neo-cons. They have a definite agenda and it is being implemented by the current administration.
I got to know one of these folks through a college associate; he is a person of formidable talents and is very well connected in Washington. He and his group need to be monitored very closely.
I'm much more fearful of the American Enterprise Institute, the home of the neo-cons. They have a definite agenda and it is being implemented by the current administration.
I got to know one of these folks through a college associate; he is a person of formidable talents and is very well connected in Washington. He and his group need to be monitored very closely.
Yes, indeed. AEI rents office space to the Project for the New American Century, one of the leading voices that pushed the Bush administration's plan for "regime change" through war in Iraq. Jeane J. Kirkpatrick and Richard N. Perle are straight from the CFR. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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What I liked: the historical background in CFR and "Foundation" enterprises.
The truth about the Towers in NY. (More on this would have been better, but it would probly take a book in itself...)
The economic perspective was simple enough to understand, yet gave adequate coverage to make it meaningful.
Loved the Peak oil tie-in.
A real wake-up call to the un-initiated (pardon the pun).
What I think could use improving:
The Illuminati section was WAY under-developed. I was not particuarly happy how the Rothchilds got ALL the credit. Weishaupt was a Jesuit, and even he represented ony ONE REGIONAL band of Freemasons/illuminati (not to mention the Rosicrucians, "Templars," Gnostics, Hermetics, Alchemists etc.).
I see Monty's reliance on certain "conspiracy" websites hindering what could have been a better section on Freemasonry (leading to CFR).
One thing that is good about the Illuminati, no matter how wicked their plas, they (eventualy) reveal them...part of their religion (Rosicrucians are a n exception on this). IF you want to search, Writings by Albert Pike, "The Secret Teachings of all Ages" by (get this ) "Manly P. Hall" , and some others should be part of your library.
Over-all, with some additional background on Freemasonry it would be an EXCELENT book. As it stands now, I'm afraid it's only a ***
( thats a 3 star rating out of 5, whadya think it was? ) _________________ Eickhorn Daggers!
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The Illuminati section was WAY under-developed. I was not particuarly happy how the Rothchilds got ALL the credit. Weishaupt was a Jesuit, and even he represented ony ONE REGIONAL band of Freemasons/illuminati (not to mention the Rosicrucians, "Templars," Gnostics, Hermetics, Alchemists etc.).
I see Monty's reliance on certain "conspiracy" websites hindering what could have been a better section on Freemasonry (leading to CFR).
Thanks for the review! Your criticism is quite fair. I debated on how how far I should have expanded that aspect. I could have spent a whole chapter on the Bilderbergers or the Tri-Lateral Commission as well. My intent was to paint a broad picture and let those who wished, ferret out the depth and pervasiveness of the parties involved. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:46 pm Post subject:
I found Monte’s book quite valuable indeed. I, too, thank him for sharing his informative effort. I will add that I found this article, about 16 pages long, called “Neo-fascism in America” by Jim Macgregor
…and it seemed an excellent “condensed nugget” of what’s in “Madmen at the Helm”. I recommend Monte’s book, and am posting this “supplement” for those with truly no time to spare, also as helpful to share with others as the “easiest” introduction to this subject matter I know of. A taste of the article via snippets from throughout it:
My first dose of ‘red pill’ came in the early 1970s when I returned from voluntary service in Central Africa. I had worked alongside American Peace Corps volunteers and would sit with them under the beautiful African night sky, discussing that devastated continent and the reasons for the starvation and death that surrounded us there. On my returned from Malawi, I discovered that a number of those supposedly dedicated Peace Corp volunteers were US intelligence agency personnel. What they were doing in Africa was not, in actual reality, delivering American aid or goodwill, but fermenting huge trouble with their clandestine activities. I later read the ‘red pill’ book, Killing Hope, [2] about US Military and CIA Interventions since WWII and realised it was describing American activities which exhibited the very worst elements of fascism.
According to the matrix, powerful men of wealth who controlled America in colonial days, were replaced after the revolution by genuinely democratic representatives of the people. Every American school-child is taught that the fifty five “Founding Fathers” prepared a solid foundation of democracy upon which the Great Republic was built, and that Abraham Lincoln’s stirring Gettysburg address on “government of the people, by the people, for the people” meant what it said.
‘Red pill’ reality is very different, however as Richard K. Moore writes [3]: “The legislatures, unfortunately, mostly appointed their delegates [Founding Fathers] from among their local wealthy elite. The delegates then ensconced themselves in secret session and proceeded to betray the charter under which they had been assembled. They discarded the Articles, and began debating and drafting a wholly new document, one that transferred sovereignty to a relatively strong central government. The delegates reneged on the States that had sent them, and took it upon themselves to speak directly for “We the People”. Thus begins the preamble to their Constitution. In effect they accomplished a coup d’etat. They managed to design a system that would enable existing elites to continue to run the affairs of the new nation, as they had before under the Crown, under a Constitution that for all the world seems to embody sound democratic principles. The system was consciously designed to facilitate elite rule and that is how it has functioned ever since.”
What are the implications of this “New World Order”, or “Globalization” as it is now called? Richard K. Moore [17] writes: “The course of world events, for the first time in history, is now largely controlled by a centralised global regime. This regime has been consolidating power ever since World War II and is now formalising that power into a collection of centralised institutions and a new system of international ‘order’. Top western political leaders are participants in this global regime, and the strong Western nation state is rapidly being dismantled and destabilised. The global regime serves elite corporate interests exclusively. It has no particular regard for human rights, democracy, human welfare, or the health of the environment. The only god of this regime is the god of wealth accumulation.
Abraham Lincoln stated, “I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me, and causes me to tremble for the safety of our country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people, until wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed.”
The small, but ruthless, group of men, the “money power” described by Lincoln, has stolen democracy from the American people. An ever-growing number of informed Americans, however, are fighting a brave, but desperate rear-guard action to retrieve that democracy. Will we give them our total support now, or simply sit back and watch as the entire planet is taken back to the dark ages? “The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.”
Me again lastly: About the matrix reference; It is a good and sound analogy. It fits perfectly. So go bloody well grow up if you’re planning to criticize it in this case. _________________ "O hell, here comes our funeral. Let us pry....for our missed understandings."
I just finished reading the 111 page book titled "MADMEN AT THE HELM" authored by Monte Myers. This is a brilliant piece of research work that walks you through modern history showing you the shadow workings of the power elite in their eternal quest for world domination.
It analyzes the forces of the New World Order in play all the way through the creation of the Central Banks, the two World Wars, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Gulf War to the tragic events of 9/11. It is a gripping account that reads like a spy novel explained through the minds of a clear thinker.
Energy is central to life. To control people, you control money, which in turn controls the flow of energy or flux within a society. It is no surprise how the global elite has plunged us into these never ending resource wars.
Peak Oil is central to the understanding of past and present geopolitics. When one becomes aware of this geologic reality, the whole picture suddenly snaps into focus.
Monte has performed a thorough investigation. He has presented more clues and opened more avenues of thought than volumes of history books written by mainstream historians. It's up to the reader to connect the dots. As Monte admits - it is certainly not possible to provide binding proof for each case, but an intelligent reader weighs in his thoughts based on circumstantial evidence.
I see a preponderance of that.
For readers who are skeptical about the concepts behind the Global Elite and their various rings like the Round Table/Royal Institute of International Affairs, and the Bilderberg Group with their various interconnected components like the Club of Rome, Trilateral Commission, Council of Foreign Relations and Tax Exempt Foundations, I would encourage them to breeze through this concise and simple explanation of how money works:
This is the best non-technical explanation I have found on the concept behind central banks and the fractional reserve banking system. After you comprehend the basic concept, it is not hard to see how money can be used as a form of control to manipulate ambitious politicians, shape the opinion of a select elite, influence the media and ultimately rule over the masses.
As a visual aid, check out this Organizational Chart of the Global Elite:
Monte’s ‘Madmen at the Helm’ along with Matt Savinar’s ‘The Oil Age is Over’ are the two best books to get a crash course on the Power Elite, their Geopolitics and the present ramifications of Peak Oil and the repurcussions it would have on your daily life.
P.S. I would like to add that Monte takes a very impartial look at the global situation. He does not take sides. It is important to understand that this is not a Liberal vs. Conservative or Republican vs. Democrat issue. We simply lose focus and energy by infighting amongst ourselves – exactly what the ruling elite wants us to do, who operate at a higher level, stay behind the shadows and control both sides.
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Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 7:42 am Post subject:
Tapas wrote:
I just finished reading the 111 page book titled "MADMEN AT THE HELM" authored by Monte Myers. This is a brilliant piece of research work that walks you through modern history showing you the shadow workings of the power elite in their eternal quest for world domination.
For readers who are skeptical about the concepts behind the Global Elite and their various rings like the Round Table/Royal Institute of International Affairs, and the Bilderberg Group with their various interconnected components like the Club of Rome, Trilateral Commission, Council of Foreign Relations and Tax Exempt Foundations, I would encourage them to breeze through this concise and simple explanation of how money works:
Tapas, I gladly join you in yet again recommending MonteQuest's book, and i want to thank you for the relfe.com link. the info there is an Excellent way to quickly educate others to the nightmare of fractional reserve banking, and wow what a lot of other great links to chase down! this is most worthwhile, dear readers.....unless you want to keep pulling at the leaves of the tree of problems, instead of digging it out by the root.
i just don't know how to say it without sounding like a know-it-all, but some of us who were kept unaware, are no longer unaware. and once you discover what you didn't know, you are empowered to see that, exactly as Tapas has said, the old paradigms like liberal vs. conservative are just horseshit used to manipulate.
personally, i learn volumes by the hour these days, and i am now actively engaged in a dynamic and strategic electoral politics project i believe can effect changes the magnitude we must make. daily, i realize and discard my own past mistakes, and information like that presented in this thread is of immense value in this effort.
thanks, Tapas. and to Monte, too.
with information like this, you can stop reacting to headlines and start making them. tick-tock, friends! _________________ "O hell, here comes our funeral. Let us pry....for our missed understandings."
It was not my intent to portray the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) as anything more than an organizational arm of a deeper "ruling elite." And as to certain members mounting a "unity of effort", remember this sentence from my book about the status of many members: "For the most part, they are merely opportunists who view this organization as a high level employment agency. "
Just keep your head up an watch what they do.
Hey Monte, did you know that Matt Simmons is a member of the CFR? What do you figure that's all about?
It was not my intent to portray the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) as anything more than an organizational arm of a deeper "ruling elite." And as to certain members mounting a "unity of effort", remember this sentence from my book about the status of many members: "For the most part, they are merely opportunists who view this organization as a high level employment agency. "
Just keep your head up an watch what they do.
Hey Monte, did you know that Matt Simmons is a member of the CFR? What do you figure that's all about?
Don't know. Just because he is a member says nothing about his agenda, but it does say that he has a mindset that they welcome. Not just anyone can join the CFR. _________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Allrighty then, if I have time to obtain this brillant piece of work that connects the dots between peak oil, the NWO and the illuminati, how do I go about it ?
Allrighty then, if I have time to obtain this brillant piece of work that connects the dots between peak oil, the NWO and the illuminati, how do I go about it ?
Send me a pm with an e-mail address and I will forwward a PDF file of it to you.
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Your criticism is quite fair. I debated on how how far I should have expanded that aspect. I could have spent a whole chapter on the Bilderbergers or the Tri-Lateral Commission as well. My intent was to paint a broad picture and let those who wished, ferret out the depth and pervasiveness of the parties involved.
