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Narz Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Nov 25, 2006 Posts: 1373 Location: New York area
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: Does anyone sell super-efficient chest refrigerators |
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I heard awhile back about a guy who tricked out his chest freezer to be a chest fridge and run on next to no wattage.
If this is for real why doesn't the guy start selling these fluckers to people (like myself) without the skills or inclination to do such conversions.
Also, while you're here. What do you use for refrigeration? _________________ My PO Amazon store (shameless plug). |
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Ludi Expert


Joined: Dec 27, 2004 Posts: 12051 Location: zombie horde wonderland
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone sell super-efficient chest refridgerators |
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We recently replaced our 20 year old behemoth with a little new regular fridge.
this one _________________ "...powerdown so soft and fluffy you'll think you're living in a pillow..." - jboogy |
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dinopello Fission


Joined: May 13, 2005 Posts: 2623 Location: The Urban Village
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone sell super-efficient chest refridgerators |
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I've just got a regular (5 year old) Kenmore side by side. Not really that big.
I've toyed with the idea of getting a 12/24V DC / 110 AC Fridge/Freezer for backup. I could do a solar power system with the DC pretty easily.
Engel Fridge/Freezers
It's hard to imagine the grid going down here for any length of time though. Electricity seems still pretty cheap too. |
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PeakOiler Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Posts: 1059 Location: Central Texas
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone sell super-efficient chest refridgerators |
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Sundanzer Freezer
The 5.8 cu.ft. freezer (DC) was $969, the 125W solar panel was $579, the Morningstar charge controller was $69, 30' cable was $34, and a 100 amp-hr battery was $249. Total: $2109.
It has worked extremely well since installation last November.
Shannymara has this model too. Perhaps she could let us know if she's using hers yet.
Keep in mind that a good gasoline or diesel powered electrical generator is loud, stinks, requires a lot more maintenance, and can cost around $500-1000 or more, not counting ongoing fuel costs. _________________ About my avatar: Guess. |
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MadScientist Heavy Crude


Joined: May 19, 2004 Posts: 418
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone sell super-efficient chest refridgerators |
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http://mtbest.net/chest_fridge.html
one quick example from a hasty google search. the point is to use a top opening chest FREEZER and convert it to a refrigerator by replacing the thermostat.
for ultimate efficiency, put it in a root cellar with the heat coils on the exterior of your insulated space. _________________ "The future power is manpower" |
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green_achers Heavy Crude


Joined: Aug 14, 2005 Posts: 368 Location: Mississippi Delta
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone sell super-efficient chest refridgerators |
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When I was a teenager, I lived a summer in an apartment that had a gas-powered refrig. I was told later it worked on the absorptive heat principle and used a tiny fraction of the energy of a regular refrig. As I recall, the gas burner would only come on for a few minutes a day. I understand you can't buy them anymore, because they use anhydrous ammonia. _________________ WWJD? What would Joel Salatin do? |
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BigTex Moderator


Joined: Aug 03, 2006 Posts: 4073 Location: Graceland
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone sell super-efficient chest refridgerators |
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| green_achers wrote: | | When I was a teenager, I lived a summer in an apartment that had a gas-powered refrig. I was told later it worked on the absorptive heat principle and used a tiny fraction of the energy of a regular refrig. As I recall, the gas burner would only come on for a few minutes a day. I understand you can't buy them anymore, because they use anhydrous ammonia. |
Most refrigerators in RVs run on propane. _________________
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kpeavey Expert


Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 1131
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone sell super-efficient chest refridgerators |
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I've got 3 frigs.
The big side by side. Not in use due to a tree falling on my house limiting my electrical capacity to 15 amps. The big thing is nice, fits all kinds of beer, but uses 6 amps.
The camper. About 3 cuft, tiny freezer, runs on 12 volt, 110volt or propane. Its an ammonia evaporation unit, was installed just before a buddy of mine bought the camper, has had limited use when he owned it, excellent shape. I used it when I lived in the camper for a year after a tree fell on my house.
The new fridge. Similar to what Ludi has, Magic Chef, 4 cuft model. This thing uses 1.5 amps, keeps stuff cold quiet, has a big enough freezer to hold enough meat to get me by for about month. The only problem I have with it is the shelves are not adjustable. Making a gallon jug of milk fit required lifting the top shelf by an inch. I had an electrical problem in the camper, cooked the breaker panel, needed a fridge in a hurry. _________________ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face--for ever."
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WisJim Expert


Joined: Jan 03, 2005 Posts: 1159 Location: western Wisconsin
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone sell super-efficient chest refridgerators |
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| green_achers wrote: | | When I was a teenager, I lived a summer in an apartment that had a gas-powered refrig. I was told later it worked on the absorptive heat principle and used a tiny fraction of the energy of a regular refrig. As I recall, the gas burner would only come on for a few minutes a day. |
We used a Servel gas refrigerator back in the 1970s and 80s, and replaced it with a SunFrost 12 volt DC refrig when they became available. We figured that the $1500 Sun Frost and $1500 of PV panels added to our wind generator system would pay for itself in LP gas saved in the lifetime of the refrigerator, and that was when LP was about a tenth the price it is now. We use a 100 pound cylinder of LP in 6 weeks back then for cooking and the refrigerator. We didn't find the gas refrigerator to be very energy efficient. Of course, electric refrigs have improved a lot in recent years. |
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frankthetank Fusion


Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4280 Location: Southwest WI
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone sell super-efficient chest refridgerators |
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Just a thought, but a cheap AC chest freezer (5cu/ft) runs a little over a $100... Could u use the difference on an inverter and more batteries and solar panels? I know there is the loss of efficiency...and an inverter would run you a good amount, although i doubt you'd need a very high wattage model. _________________ "Oil is going up because we use too much oil, and the capacity to replace reserves is dwindling"
-President Bush 11/07/07 |
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WisJim Expert


Joined: Jan 03, 2005 Posts: 1159 Location: western Wisconsin
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Does anyone sell super-efficient chest refridgerators |
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| I think that (based on some intensive refrigerator and freezer shopping in the last couple of years, which is still continuing for the freezer) the inexpensive and smaller sized refrigs and freezers are much less efficient per cubic foot of capacity than the larger sizes are. Our new refrigerator is 17 cu ft and uses less than 100 watts while running--usually 80 watts or so (it is plugged into a Kill-a-watt). It uses about 8/10 of a kw-hr a day, so it runs about 10 hours a day. I would be very interested in seeing actual power usage figures for some of the smaller freezers and refrigerators. |
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frankthetank Fusion


Joined: Sep 16, 2004 Posts: 4280 Location: Southwest WI
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Does anyone sell super-efficient chest refridgerators |
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I have 2 refrigerators and a small chest freezer. I'm ordering one of those killawatt devices. I really need to test some stuff. I'd love to know the amount of energy my 230v well pump uses a week, but that would be tough to figure out. _________________ "Oil is going up because we use too much oil, and the capacity to replace reserves is dwindling"
-President Bush 11/07/07 |
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WisJim Expert


Joined: Jan 03, 2005 Posts: 1159 Location: western Wisconsin
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Does anyone sell super-efficient chest refridgerators |
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I bought a couple more Kill-a-watts on eBay for a good price. Got a regular one plus the newer version that has a memory so it can be unplugged without losing the data. So now we have one that the electric car is plugged into, one that a refrig is hooked to and a spare to loan out or check something as we think of it. I paid less than $60 for both units including shipping.
I recall reading about adapting a Kill-a-watt to make it usable to measure 220 volt circuits, and it may have been on the Otherpower site. Can't find a bookmark now, though.
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gnm Expert


Joined: Jul 08, 2004 Posts: 2581 Location: plundering eco-villages
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: Re: Does anyone sell super-efficient chest refridgerators |
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I've got a Frigidaire 13.3 CU chest freezer which uses about 350Kwh per year. I should mention that the killowatt is showing very low consumption and I think it will exceed the rating. Typical run load is 30-70 watts. Often it shows 0 even though the power led is on. Thats because the killowatt can't register the miniscule amount of power being used for the led. Easily doable by a 150-200watt single panel - Which is why I think the sundazers are overpriced. Sure they are DC but you can get an efficient AC with a slightly larger solar panel for less. One tiny inverter, a car battery, and you are done.
WisJim, 100lb (25gal yes?) cylinder for cooking and fridge? You might have had a leak at the regulator. My neighbor has a (danby I think) and it used about 7-10gal/month (mid-full size fridge/freezer). That was after he discovered a problem with the dual regulator (failover for two tanks when one is empty) which had been costing him almost 10gal a month by estimate. Well after a couple years he has scrapped that and gone the electric route. More efficent in my opinion and the way I have gone.
A horizontal chest freezer used as a fridge would be fairly easy with a commodity thermal switch (I can get the brand/model you would need if anyone is interested) - should be about $80. Just run an A/C chest freezer as mentioned above and put the thermal switch on the power for it - you could run it through the drain plug with no mods...
-G _________________ All right, you primitive screw-heads, listen up! |
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