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PhilBiker
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 Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:43 am Post subject: "The Rapid Growth of Human Populations 1750-2000: ..... |
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The name of the book is "The Rapid Growth of Human Populations 1750-2000: Histories, Consequences, Issues, Nation by Nation" by William Stanton.
I've only read the first chapter and some of the country summaries so far. This book is stark, honest and well researched. I'm a slow reader and a college student so I may not be able to finish it for quite some time. Recommended highly to anyone who willing to face the hopeless future of mass death and suffering that we all will experience soon. |
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Permanently_Baffled
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Recommended highly to anyone who willing to face the hopeless future of mass death and suffering that we all will experience soon.
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LOL 
Chill out Phil, chances are you will be fine. Things may get tough but if you are in the US you will be ok.
PB 
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gnm
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If this hopeless future of mass death and suffering should mean the end of idiotic TV and fast food then we have something to look forward to.
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MicroHydro
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Stanton has an article in the July 2005 aspo newsletter. He claims his book was "effectively blacklisted". However, it is now available on Amazon.com. Has anyone besides Phil read it?
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EnergySpin
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Well I will not go into the stats of Stanton Book (even though other sites seem to refute his 2 mi number before 1750).
Stanton lives in a utopia ... a personal world where he mentally masturbates and quite likely does not even get the numbers right. In keeping with a long tradition of UK scientistis (sorry guys about that, I'm just stating a fact) based eugenicists who view people as vermin. 100 years ago he would be a keen follower of Francis Galton, arguing for sterilization and euthanasia of the 'tards'. Too bad for the world that Hitler rose in power before those guys could take control of that litl island ... the concentration camp official language would have been English.
Since you are a college student .... check the following passage (posted by my highness yesterday):
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I found this piece of info researching Stanton's predictions and biases or whatever influences their writing. It seems to 1) directly contest his assessment of the 2 mi/UK using data from his previous book to bring this number to 20 million using wood only 2) using a combination of renewables demonstrate that no massive die-offs are necessary (well the underfunded NHS does a pretty good job at that btw)
The web site is: (note the author is erroneously using kwh instead of kw and vice versa)
http://ergosphere.blogspot.com/2005/04/what-side-are-they-on.html
A couple of quotes that I find important to keep at the back of the energy efficient biocomputers we call brains:
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What conclusion is the reader supposed to draw? How about "Oh my god, sustainable society is just code for MASS DEATH! We can't even think of going down that path!" Or, "We can't live through the changes coming. Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die." In other words, action is futile. The product: paralysis. Might as well go along with the status quo... enriching the current crop of oil barons. They can't take it with them either, so it doesn't matter. Does it?
Some of the data the author refuting Stanton of the blog spot are accurate , eg check the USA data on the following web sites for the USA http://www.worldenergy.org/wec-geis/global/downloads/eepi/wec_usa.pdf
and other countries from the World Energy web site
http://www.worldenergy.org/wec-geis/edc/default.asp |
Now put the Stanton numbers in perspective ... and see how he manipulates numbers to advance his agenda.
Yes overpopulation is a problem, but nuking cities is not the way out. |
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MicroHydro
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Stanton advocates nuking cities? 
Nothing like a lot of global fallout to make the whole world ill 
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EnergySpin
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| Quote: | | Stanton advocates nuking cities |
Only as an act of mercy to the poor Fark.
I do not know him personally (not missing anything) and would not have any issues with his analysis .... but he manipulates data (i.e. energy efficiencies etc). to advance an agenda which will become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Have read the various things he wrote for ASPO;
He is in love with his hamlet future so much that he hopes someone will facilitate it with nukes. And yes ... fallout is going to be horrendous. He could have asked me to point a couple of Infectious Diseases Medicine textbook as a more environmental friendly way of achieving his noble goals  |
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julianj
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Energyspin is right.
Basically Stanton is a rightwing bigot who hates everything about the modern world and fantasises about offing disabled people, and anyone else who doesn't fit his prejudices. After I complained to ASPO about printing such rubbish, I received a rant from Stanton himself,
So I told him I'd given his article an "F", and asked if he was an auto-didact who lived with his mother.
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Macsporan
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He must be a very sick, twisted and evil little man if he advocates the greatest atrocity in history.
He ought to be boiled alive in a vat of rancid camel-pus. |
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EnergySpin
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| Quote: | | He ought to be boiled alive in a vat of rancid camel-pus |
What's the EROEI figure on that?
This forum does not advocate any such measures ....
Maybe we can have him ride a bike hooked up to a generator to generate electricity for the ASPO ie server. He has to keep the server running for a week with no powerdowns otherwise to the Thermal Depolymerization Plant to be converted to Human Power (TM) |
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