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AmericanEmpire Heavy Crude

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Joined: Jul 14, 2005 Posts: 497
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:40 pm Post subject: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quarter? |
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I remember reading something about the oil demand exceeding supply during the 4th quarter of this year and how was the gap going to be filled.
Now the question I have to ask is: I know we are running on reserves right now because of the hurricane damage. But would we have had a supply problem even without those hurricanes?
Did the hurricanes and releasing of oil from the SPR's and importing gas from Europe mask what was going to be a shortage anyway. I'm just trying to figure out the big picture here. |
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FairMaiden Heavy Crude


Joined: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 252 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart |
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| Thats a great question - I'd like to know myself. I wonder about the inventory of oil tho. Isn't the volume different at different temps? So when we say 1 barrel of oil - is that barrel some standard? |
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linlithgowoil Intermediate Crude


Joined: Dec 20, 2004 Posts: 890 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart |
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| demand for oil has dropped. price actually does has a big impact on demand for oil, it is not inelastic. it is to a degree, but there is a hell of a lot of demand that can be erased by high prices firstly. |
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Cynus Intermediate Crude


Joined: Aug 13, 2004 Posts: 607
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart |
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| I'd love to see a chart of country by country consumption numbers. Has oil consumtion in third world countries gone down significantly due to high prices this year? If so, I suppose you could say that supply did not meet demand and the reason we still have plenty of oil in western countries is that we outbid them for the limited supply. |
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WebHubbleTelescope Intermediate Crude


Joined: Jul 08, 2004 Posts: 911
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart |
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| Unlike supply, demand is really unknowable and immeasurable. Think about it; how would you ever measure demand other than indirectly by a reduction in consumption? |
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strider3700 Fission


Joined: Apr 17, 2005 Posts: 2749 Location: Vancouver Island
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart |
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| Cynus wrote: | | I'd love to see a chart of country by country consumption numbers. Has oil consumtion in third world countries gone down significantly due to high prices this year? If so, I suppose you could say that supply did not meet demand and the reason we still have plenty of oil in western countries is that we outbid them for the limited supply. |
I don't have the chart you're looking for but third world countries where rioting in some places over oil prices. _________________ shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts |
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joewp Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Apr 05, 2005 Posts: 1643 Location: Springsteen Country (NJ)
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart |
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| linlithgowoil wrote: | | demand for oil has dropped. price actually does has a big impact on demand for oil, it is not inelastic. it is to a degree, but there is a hell of a lot of demand that can be erased by high prices firstly. |
Actually, we don't know how much demand has dropped. The heating season in the northern hemisphere hasn't really started yet. In the US, 2 million or so new houses went up, most of them huge McMansions that are costly to heat. Also, this past Wednesday's EIA report showed an increase in gasoline demand of 0.8% over last year. There's still a month left in the fourth quarter and the weather is getting colder.
We shall see. _________________ Joe P. United Political Debate
"Only when the last tree is cut; only when the last river is polluted; only when the last fish is caught; only then will they realize that you cannot eat money." - Cree Indian Proverb |
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UIUCstudent01 Intermediate Crude


Joined: Mar 10, 2005 Posts: 894
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart |
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| strider3700 wrote: | | Cynus wrote: | | I'd love to see a chart of country by country consumption numbers. Has oil consumtion in third world countries gone down significantly due to high prices this year? If so, I suppose you could say that supply did not meet demand and the reason we still have plenty of oil in western countries is that we outbid them for the limited supply. |
I don't have the chart you're looking for but third world countries where rioting in some places over oil prices. |
There was knews about Cuba raising its prices a little bit ago...
I think I also heard something about Zimbabwe... not sure about that.. _________________ https://www.videogamevoters.org/ http://www.savetheinternet.com/ http://www.votersforpeace.us/index.jsp
www.911myths.com - To the 9/11-ers, give it some thought. |
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aahala Intermediate Crude


Joined: Feb 03, 2005 Posts: 954
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart |
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| FairMaiden wrote: | | Thats a great question - I'd like to know myself. I wonder about the inventory of oil tho. Isn't the volume different at different temps? So when we say 1 barrel of oil - is that barrel some standard? |
The way I understand it, a barrel, as a unit of crude measurement,
is 42 US gallons at a standard temp of 60 degrees F. If a 42-gallon
barrel(actual container) was ever used for crude in the US, and there appears to be some question about it, then it was sometime between the Civil War and 1900. |
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LadyRuby Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Jun 13, 2005 Posts: 1206 Location: Western US
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart |
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May be some shortages toward the end of the year, according to some oil companies.
http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=782352
| Quote: | PWR-MALAYSIA-OIL-COMPANIES
No fuel shortage till end of year - Oil companies
KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 27 (KUNA) -- There will be no shortage of fuel supplies in the country between now until the end of the year, announced a number of oil companies operating in Malaysia.
Minister of Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs Mohd Shafie Apdal said in a statement today the assurance was made during his meeting with the various oil companies operating in the country.
"They have promised to cooperate with the government and have said that there would not be a fuel shortage during the festive season.
But he noted that such assurance would not remain active if there are wide-scale smuggling of fuel by certain quarters who seek quick profits.(end) tg. |
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Antimatter Intermediate Crude


Joined: Jan 04, 2005 Posts: 623 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart |
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According to Simmons demand was meant to exceed supply by 2-4mb/d 4th quarter. The DOOM keeps getting postponed.  _________________ "Production of useful work is limited by the laws of thermodynamics, but the production of useless work seems to be unlimited." |
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savethehumans Light Sweet Crude


Joined: Oct 20, 2004 Posts: 1541
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart |
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Notice how gas prices in the USA have dropped? Watch it stay that way through December. Then, come January, there's gonna be more financial worries for people than just Christmas gift-buying credit card bills!
Big Thanksgiving sale netted me a $20 electric blanket. Gas heater this winter? WHAT gas heater this winter?  |
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Russian_Cowboy Heavy Crude


Joined: Feb 16, 2005 Posts: 251 Location: Siberia of Canada
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart |
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| Russia has bumped up its oil production by 0.7% in October wrt. September. This means an extra 70 000 barrels a day appearing in the markets in a matter of a month. |
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Revi Fusion


Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Posts: 3448 Location: Maine
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:34 am Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart |
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People's oil burners have only just started to burn fuel. People will start to fill them up again. That will draw down stocks and drive prices up. It happens every year. I'm not sure when the top price comes, but it's somewhere around mid-winter. As always those who plan least will pay the highest prices. I talked to people who have already been buying five and ten gallons of off-road diesel to burn in their oil burners. We are only at the beginning of the winter heating season. Lots of possibility for problems yet. They may not happen in the fourth quarter of 2005, but there is still the beginning of 2006 to go.
Wait until the Midwest runs out of natural gas pressure. I hope it doesn't happen until March or April if at all. Then people don't freeze, they are just inconvenienced. A cold winter could do that. I hope we don't have one. |
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Antimatter Intermediate Crude


Joined: Jan 04, 2005 Posts: 623 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart |
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| Quote: | | Wait until the Midwest runs out of natural gas pressure. |
Gas storage is near the top of the 5 year range. There won't be mass freezings to death this winter.  _________________ "Production of useful work is limited by the laws of thermodynamics, but the production of useless work seems to be unlimited." |
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