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AmericanEmpire
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:40 pm    Post subject: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quarter? Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I remember reading something about the oil demand exceeding supply during the 4th quarter of this year and how was the gap going to be filled.

Now the question I have to ask is: I know we are running on reserves right now because of the hurricane damage. But would we have had a supply problem even without those hurricanes?

Did the hurricanes and releasing of oil from the SPR's and importing gas from Europe mask what was going to be a shortage anyway. I'm just trying to figure out the big picture here.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Thats a great question - I'd like to know myself. I wonder about the inventory of oil tho. Isn't the volume different at different temps? So when we say 1 barrel of oil - is that barrel some standard?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

demand for oil has dropped. price actually does has a big impact on demand for oil, it is not inelastic. it is to a degree, but there is a hell of a lot of demand that can be erased by high prices firstly.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

I'd love to see a chart of country by country consumption numbers. Has oil consumtion in third world countries gone down significantly due to high prices this year? If so, I suppose you could say that supply did not meet demand and the reason we still have plenty of oil in western countries is that we outbid them for the limited supply.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Unlike supply, demand is really unknowable and immeasurable. Think about it; how would you ever measure demand other than indirectly by a reduction in consumption?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Cynus wrote:
I'd love to see a chart of country by country consumption numbers. Has oil consumtion in third world countries gone down significantly due to high prices this year? If so, I suppose you could say that supply did not meet demand and the reason we still have plenty of oil in western countries is that we outbid them for the limited supply.


I don't have the chart you're looking for but third world countries where rioting in some places over oil prices.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

linlithgowoil wrote:
demand for oil has dropped. price actually does has a big impact on demand for oil, it is not inelastic. it is to a degree, but there is a hell of a lot of demand that can be erased by high prices firstly.


Actually, we don't know how much demand has dropped. The heating season in the northern hemisphere hasn't really started yet. In the US, 2 million or so new houses went up, most of them huge McMansions that are costly to heat. Also, this past Wednesday's EIA report showed an increase in gasoline demand of 0.8% over last year. There's still a month left in the fourth quarter and the weather is getting colder.

We shall see.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

strider3700 wrote:
Cynus wrote:
I'd love to see a chart of country by country consumption numbers. Has oil consumtion in third world countries gone down significantly due to high prices this year? If so, I suppose you could say that supply did not meet demand and the reason we still have plenty of oil in western countries is that we outbid them for the limited supply.


I don't have the chart you're looking for but third world countries where rioting in some places over oil prices.


There was knews about Cuba raising its prices a little bit ago...

I think I also heard something about Zimbabwe... not sure about that..
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

FairMaiden wrote:
Thats a great question - I'd like to know myself. I wonder about the inventory of oil tho. Isn't the volume different at different temps? So when we say 1 barrel of oil - is that barrel some standard?


The way I understand it, a barrel, as a unit of crude measurement,
is 42 US gallons at a standard temp of 60 degrees F. If a 42-gallon
barrel(actual container) was ever used for crude in the US, and there appears to be some question about it, then it was sometime between the Civil War and 1900.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

May be some shortages toward the end of the year, according to some oil companies.

http://www.kuna.net.kw/home/story.aspx?Language=en&DSNO=782352

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No fuel shortage till end of year - Oil companies

KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 27 (KUNA) -- There will be no shortage of fuel supplies in the country between now until the end of the year, announced a number of oil companies operating in Malaysia.

Minister of Domestic Trade and Consumer Affairs Mohd Shafie Apdal said in a statement today the assurance was made during his meeting with the various oil companies operating in the country.

"They have promised to cooperate with the government and have said that there would not be a fuel shortage during the festive season.

But he noted that such assurance would not remain active if there are wide-scale smuggling of fuel by certain quarters who seek quick profits.(end) tg.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

According to Simmons demand was meant to exceed supply by 2-4mb/d 4th quarter. The DOOM keeps getting postponed. Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Notice how gas prices in the USA have dropped? Watch it stay that way through December. Then, come January, there's gonna be more financial worries for people than just Christmas gift-buying credit card bills!

Big Thanksgiving sale netted me a $20 electric blanket. Gas heater this winter? WHAT gas heater this winter? Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 11:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

Russia has bumped up its oil production by 0.7% in October wrt. September. This means an extra 70 000 barrels a day appearing in the markets in a matter of a month.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

People's oil burners have only just started to burn fuel. People will start to fill them up again. That will draw down stocks and drive prices up. It happens every year. I'm not sure when the top price comes, but it's somewhere around mid-winter. As always those who plan least will pay the highest prices. I talked to people who have already been buying five and ten gallons of off-road diesel to burn in their oil burners. We are only at the beginning of the winter heating season. Lots of possibility for problems yet. They may not happen in the fourth quarter of 2005, but there is still the beginning of 2006 to go.

Wait until the Midwest runs out of natural gas pressure. I hope it doesn't happen until March or April if at all. Then people don't freeze, they are just inconvenienced. A cold winter could do that. I hope we don't have one.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Wasn't demand supposed to exceed supply during 4th quart Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote

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Wait until the Midwest runs out of natural gas pressure.




Gas storage is near the top of the 5 year range. There won't be mass freezings to death this winter. Wink
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