[Pretorian]

there shouldnt be any mine or solar, people have to learn humility and modesty and live in the area where they killed off everything alive already, and keep themselves and their toxicity there.. I wonder if cancer cells, once getting their freedom and immortality de-jure, ever perplexed by their deaths de-facto.

Sorry, I feel like I have to repeat myself here..
there shouldnt be any mine or solar, people have to learn humility and modesty and live in the area where they killed off everything alive already, and keep themselves and their toxicity there.. I wonder if cancer cells, once getting their freedom and immortality de-jure, ever perplexed by their deaths de-facto.

[green_achers]

Woof, woof... "environmentalists" bow wow... [environmental] laws ...yip yap... environmentalist.

You seem to think:

1) "Environmentalist" is an insulting epithet that constitutes a devastating argument against whatever you want to put down;

2) Environmentalist = biologist;

3) Environmentalists are in charge of the economy and the government; and

4) Environmentalist are uniformly in favor of solar farms.

OK, that's:

1) Ignoramus;

2) Ignoramus;

3) Ignoramus; and, wait, let me be sure, yep,

4) Ignoramus.

There, I'm 4 ignoramuses ahead. Your turn.

[Plantagenet]

There, I'm 4 ignoramuses ahead. Your turn.

I'll see your 4 ignoramuses and raise you an environmentalist.

[green_achers]

I'll see your environmentalist and raise you a Teabagger.

[Plantagenet]

I'll see your environmentalist and raise you a Teabagger.

You've got a teabagger? Wow. I'll have to come up something really extremist to match that.

OK. I've got it. I'll put in an eco-terrorist.

[green_achers]

Yeah, I'm getting bored with this. I think I made my point, from one person's direct experience, the whole "environmentalist" mime is a red herring. I sure didn't get anything substantive refuting that.

[Plantagenet]

the whole "environmentalist" mime is a red herring.

A mime is a horrrible thing to have to watch...but an environmentalist mime would be even more horrible. I can't even contemplate how horrible it would be to watch a environmentalist mime artist miming the destruction of desert tortoise habitat.

[ritter]

I sure didn't get anything substantive refuting that.

Nor will you.

[green_achers]

I sure didn't get anything substantive refuting that.

Nor will you.

Actually, I was thinking about this thread after I signed off yesterday, and it occurred to me that Mr. Plantagenet did us all a big favor. If he hadn't inserted Mountain Pass and the enviro herring into the discussion, I probably wouldn't have had a reason to reach back in my memory banks and bring some salient issues into the discussion. Now at least a few more people are educated to some of the hazards involved with producing this stuff.

Considering that I'm one of maybe several dozen people in the country who had a first-hand experience with the snafu and the cleanup, it's kind of amazing.

For those wanting more info, Wikipedia has a pretty good overview, in which the parts about the spill seem mostly to have been taken from this article:
http://www.inlandsocal.com/business/con ... b8a72.html

Funny, I wasn't able to find much online from agency sources. I think I still have a copy of the report, but there's a chance Katrina got it.

It was an interesting time. I was on a fire rehab team, so we were definitely out of our element, but the agency didn't really know what to do, and we were emergency responders, so they sent us in. On those jobs we worked long, hard hours and would get pretty crazy after a while. I remember at one point one wag on the team wanted to title the report: "Molycorp needs a better emergency plan than 'RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!'" Oh, well, ya hadda be there...

[Plantagenet]

I owe you some thanks as well, Greenacher --- I had quite a good laugh from your post and the mix up between the evironmentalist meme and an environmentalist mime .

Have a great day!!


An environmentalist mime.

[green_achers]

I got it the first time.

[Fiddlerdave]

It is so sad to see these ObamaNuts blame environmentalists when the real issue was simply China doing what it does best - cornering a market by driving prices down to where responsible mining was not profitable in the USA.

Now, they are using their market control to gain further control. To put it simply, they have used our lack of planning and foresight to show us how our Free Market fantasies can be used to hang us, especially ironic because it is likely foreign investment from the USA was used to develop THEIR rare earth mines to shut ours down. Of course, our Right Wingers then insist we should allow the mining companies to wipe out the landscape, water supplies, and wildlife to compete, which won;t happen because who can undecut the Chinese?

Sadly, since it will take a few decades to tool these mines back up with or without environmental responsible practices, assuming anyone wants to make an investment the Chinese can undercut on a moment's notice, we pretty much are going to kiss their rears on this and many other issue where they own our rears.

Once they make their play for world reserve currency, it all will be over for the USA anyway, we play checkers blindfolded while they play chess.