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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 27 Jan 2011, 18:55:55

Maddog78 wrote:http://www.marketwatch.com/video/asset/yho/%7BD4A00B61-9C14-47C8-AE0B-BA3D28B0A491%7D?siteid=yhoo#!D4A00B61-9C14-47C8-AE0B-BA3D28B0A491

Yemen joining in!
Watch this thread go now. :razz:


Yeah I think other countries went before Egypt.. I'm missing some here, there are problems in Algeria and Morocco too I think. Interesting thing is how it's spreading west to east, and the role of facebook and twitter (just like the Iranian unrest).
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby vision-master » Thu 27 Jan 2011, 19:22:47

luisport wrote:Confirmed: Goverment bans friday prayer tomorrow and blocks mosques

[link to http://www.akherakhbar.info] (arabic use google translate)

Also sms is down in all of egypt so is facebook and twitter...sms expected to be down until to friday night...

Reports coming in that water and electricy might get cut of soon to punish the citizens...unfortunaly all reports so long have showed to be correct
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby peripato » Thu 27 Jan 2011, 19:24:32

nobodypanic wrote:on that note, i have to say i am rather surprised this thread isn't getting more play here.

Have to agree, this is the thread to be watching at the moment. Bernanke's "loose money" policies sure seem to be causing a lot of unattended consequences. I guess that's what happens when you own the imperial currency;

Roubini Says Jump in Food, Energy Prices ‘Can Topple Regimes’
By Tom Keene and Stuart Wallace - Jan 26, 2011 10:42 AM CT

A surge in food and energy costs is stoking inflation in emerging markets and causing riots that may topple governments, said Nouriel Roubini, the New York University economist who predicted the financial crisis.

Global food costs monitored by the United Nations jumped 25 percent last year, reaching a record in December, and crude oil traded in New York is at $86.38 a barrel, about 53 percent more than its average over the last decade. There have been protests in Algeria and Egypt, and Tunisia’s President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali fled the country on Jan. 14.

“In emerging markets, it’s leading to rising inflation, to reduction in disposable income, it’s leading to riots, demonstrations and political instability,” Roubini said in an interview in Davos, Switzerland, today with Tom Keene on Bloomberg Television’s “The Pulse.” “It’s really something that can topple regimes, as we have seen in the Middle East.”

Governments from Beijing to Belgrade are increasing imports, limiting exports or releasing supply from state stockpiles to curb food inflation. Countries probably spent at least $1 trillion on food imports last year, with the poorest paying as much as 20 percent more than in 2009, the UN says.

The Standard & Poor’s GSCI Agriculture Index of eight futures rose 44 percent last year, the biggest advance since 1974, data compiled by Bloomberg show. The gains were led by cotton, corn and wheat as flooding in Canada, China and Australia and drought in Russia and Europe ruined crops.

But, never fear, Heli-Ben intends to keep on printing, so more fireworks to come?

FOMC stays the course
By Staff Reporter | January 26, 2011 2:27 PM EST

The Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) kept its key interest rate unchanged at the record low range of 0 percent to 0.25 percent, as widely expected. The FOMC also remained committed to its $600-billion Treasury purchase program.

The vote was unanimous.

The policy committee specifically stated that underlying inflation is trending downward, despite the rise commodity prices. Noting that the U.S. economy is recovering, the pace of such recovery was not sufficient to meaningfully improve conditions in the labor market.

“Growth in household spending picked up late last year, but remains constrained by high unemployment, modest income growth, lower housing wealth, and tight credit,” The FOMC statement read.
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 27 Jan 2011, 19:26:56

Timo wrote:Be patient. As soon as Texas, Arizona, and Wyoming all start their attempts to seceed from the US, then this thread will grow into a rope.


Most Texans don't want to secede. :) Even some Texas Tea Party don't support secession.
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 27 Jan 2011, 20:28:05

Egypt Shuts Down Internet And Text Messaging Ahead Of Million-Man Protests

Per assorted tweets from the country that is only second (but certainly not last) in experiencing first hand the Genocidal one's monetary policies, the Egyptian government has now effectively shut down the internet, text messaging and possibly land lines -link. This includes Facebook and Twitter. Ironically this act of desperation in Egypt which seeks to prevent the ongoing televising of the revolution, would be precisely the match that would set off America on a certain path to revolution: not ongoing banker rape, not Primary Dealers stealing from babies, not Greek president G-Pap robbing your wallet... merely a shutdown of Facebook and Twitter (and possibly cable) and 300 million well-armed American will promptly go apeshit.

More from the HuffPo:

Reports are emerging that Internet has gone down in Cairo and perhaps throughout Egypt, only hours before the largest planned protests yet.

According to a report from The Arabist, "Egypt has shut off the internet."
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/egypt-shuts-down-internet-and-text-messaging-ahead-million-man-protests


This is moving fast.. Egypt is blacked out from the internet, on the eve of million man protests. This "flip the internet kill swtich" thing is starting to become a common tactic to squash dissent.

And ZH has a point that just shutting off communications alone can make people go bonkers. From I read, a lot of Egyptians are fairly modern and like their Facebook, Twitter and cell phones as much as we do. I don't see how this tactic helps, cut off all communications and then everyone just goes into the streets. 8O
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby nobodypanic » Thu 27 Jan 2011, 21:48:51

The reports from Twitter, despite their incomplete and fragmentary character, give the definite impression of a developing national uprising. The president who has not been seen in public since the movement broke out on Tuesday, has placed four armoured divisions on emergency standby and cancelled all leaves--two on operational preparedness outside Cairo and two near the towns on the banks of the Suez Canal. Officers and men on furlough were ordered back to their bases.



The appeal to force has come too late. On the streets the demonstrators have learned their collective strength. The police have failed to stem the advancing tide. The army’s reliability is increasingly in doubt. In Suez it is reported that the soldiers are refusing to repress the people. The growing desperation of the regime is shown by the treatment of journalists, some 500 of whom are locked in the building of the press association in the capital, including many foreign correspondents. Security officers burst into the building, collected the journalists in the lower floors of the building and prevented them from covering events, reporting or taking photos.

http://www.marxist.com/egypt-revolt-continues.htm
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby Sixstrings » Thu 27 Jan 2011, 22:10:35

I haven't seen any of this on the teevee news. Not even CNN.. what the heck, we used to have at least one news channel.
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby Revi » Thu 27 Jan 2011, 22:42:42

This is getting really close to oilsville. Yemen is having protests and Jordan also. What if Saudi goes crackerdog? We could be on the verge of a big problem.
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Thu 27 Jan 2011, 22:47:33

My company has a call centre in Cairo. Last I heard today was that there were mobs overrunning the police lines, and then their entire phone network went down. We haven't heard from them in 6 hours.
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby FairMaiden » Fri 28 Jan 2011, 03:26:19

Sixstrings wrote:I haven't seen any of this on the teevee news. Not even CNN.. what the heck, we used to have at least one news channel.


I just saw it covered on my local news...of course, they seem more interested in the piano in Florida...but it was covered.
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby Sixstrings » Fri 28 Jan 2011, 07:20:09

FairMaiden wrote:I just saw it covered on my local news...of course, they seem more interested in the piano in Florida...but it was covered.


That stupid piano has gotten so much coverage.
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby bratticus » Fri 28 Jan 2011, 08:11:50

Videos are still coming out despite Internet blackout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryPFle0Oeeg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyyoh3yaBj4

If you really want to avoid having the Internet cut off learn how to use:

http://www.google.com/search?q=mesh+network
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby Maddog78 » Fri 28 Jan 2011, 09:41:18

Headline story on Drudge this a.m.
Will Mubarek go?
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby bratticus » Fri 28 Jan 2011, 09:56:08

Egypt is occulting Jordan.

Thousands in Jordan protest, demand PM step down

In 3rd day of protests, opposition supporters took to the streets in Amman to express their anger at rising prices, inflation, unemployment.
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby Revi » Fri 28 Jan 2011, 10:20:58

What is the complete list of countries protesting? So far I have heard about Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, Yemen and Albania. Are there others? These could be a kind of a huge food riot turned into government toppling movements. It would be great if it results in democratic countries, but there is the possibility of big trouble coming from this as well. The governments may react with a lot of force and kill a lot of people, which leads to more rioting, etc.
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby bratticus » Fri 28 Jan 2011, 10:27:00

Raw Video: Egypt Protesters Clash With Police Jan 28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr-R7d40_s0

Video of police killing teen protester, riots aftermath Jan 28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzMOkrfv0uQ

Revi wrote:What is the complete list of countries protesting?

http://tinyurl.com/4cejv3t
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby evilgenius » Fri 28 Jan 2011, 10:50:35

Keith_McClary wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/26/AR2011012608249.html
The Obama administration is openly supporting the anti-government demonstrations shaking the Arab Middle East, a stance that is far less tempered than the one the president has taken during past unrest in the region.

As demonstrations in Tunis, Cairo and Beirut have unfolded in recent days, President Obama and his senior envoys to the region have thrown U.S. support clearly behind the protesters, speaking daily in favor of free speech and assembly even when the protests target longtime U.S. allies such as Egypt.

If it gets to Saudi or the other oil states the US will change it's tune. Anyone remember the pro-democracy demonstrations in Saudi during Bush? They were rounded up and hauled off to the chopping block with nary a word from the freedom loving NeoCons.
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Take special notice of who the Arab regimes will have left to turn to in order to attempt to stay in power if the US is not backing them, Russia. Saudi Arabia will not go down without a fight. Mubarak is the first to be in a position to do something about this by crushing the uprising. He can't do that without the support of the US. In days gone by he would have threatened to align Egypt with the Soviets in order to gain US backing. The Soviets are gone, but the Russians, for quite capitalist reasons now, are still there and just as much capable of intrigue. Mubarak is not likely to ask for Russian help, but Abdullah probably will if he sees it as the only option. After all the Russians have been heavily involved in the regional play between the US led 'coalition' and Iran. Saudi Arabia siding with the Russians would be of benefit to the Saudis, short circuiting Iran's power base by diluting it, but only in the absence of a strong US reassurance (which is what may happen).

If that happens then war with Israel is probably not far off. The dictatorships in the Arab world have used animosity against Israel to rally their people, even in the face of terrible domestic circumstances, for years. Why wouldn't the desperate regimes try the same thing this time?
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby rdsaltpower » Fri 28 Jan 2011, 13:15:28

By god, the media is paying attention now! :badgrin:
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby nobodypanic » Fri 28 Jan 2011, 14:48:43

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ live feed.

it looks like the s**t is hitting the fan at the moment.
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Re: Protests in Egypt, president's family flees to UK

Unread postby eXpat » Fri 28 Jan 2011, 14:57:40

nobodypanic wrote:http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ live feed.

it looks like the s**t is hitting the fan at the moment.

Indeed, too many things going on, I think that TPTB in the ME has to stop the masses in Egypt,right here, right now if they want to keep running things, this is spreading too much, what would happen if it jumps to Saudi Arabia for instance? SHTF moment.
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