[SeaGypsy]

You have no evidence for your headline. You refuse to back it up. You remind me of these idiots who blame Jews for every bad thing ever happens. Except in this instance it's the CIA. Put up some evidence or STFU drongo.

[Withnail]

Ou have no evidence for your headline. You refuse to back it up. You remind me of these idiots who blame Jews for every bad thing ever happens. Except in this instance it's the CIA. Put up some evidence or STFU drongo.

Sigh. This has all been gone through. National Endowment for Democracy ring any bells? (Hint - It's a known CIA front organisation with strong links to the protest leaders).

What happened to that weird guy with glasses going on hunger strike until his demands were met, by the way?

Seems the little wimp ended it on Dec 6th.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/hong-kong-p ... 1417862325

HONG KONG— Joshua Wong, one of the leaders of Hong Kong’s pro-democracy protests, on Saturday said he had ended a hunger strike on advice from his doctor.

Mr. Wong, 18, and leader of the student protest group Scholarism, joined a group of student leaders who went on hunger strike on Dec. 2. Since then, he hadn’t eaten food and only consumed water and energy drinks.

[SeaGypsy]

Got anything doesn't have a bloody paywall for gods sake!?!
Anywhere in the world a pro democracy movement begins resistance, would it not be completely natural for some branch of the USG to sponsor? Seems normal to me. If true the CIA is directly involved, that would be no surprise, being the arm of USG able to bury information; in this case about the USG sponsoring confrontation against the PPC. What makes these people, in your word, 'maggots'?

[Withnail]

Got anything doesn't have a bloody paywall for gods sake!?!

Strange, I was able to read the full article when i went in via Google, but you are correct, the direct link doesn't work.

Here's another:

http://mashable.com/2014/12/06/hong-kon ... er-strike/

Anywhere in the world a pro democracy movement begins resistance, would it not be completely natural for some branch of the USG to sponsor? Seems normal to me.

No, usually the US would be on the side of those suppressing democracy. (See Iran, Chile, El Salvador, Argentina, Honduras, Cuba, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, etc etc).

If true the CIA is directly involved, that would be no surprise, being the arm of USG able to bury information; in this case about the USG sponsoring confrontation against the PPC. What makes these people, in your word, 'maggots'?

They are maggots because they are puppets and tools of the US, acting against China's national interests but nourished by China.

[SeaGypsy]

Sorry but that is a logic fail.

[Withnail]

Sorry but that is a logic fail.

Please specify what you consider to be illogical.

[AgentR11]

Inappropriate thread title or not; I *LOVE* that picture, and especially the billboard advertisement in the background.

[dorlomin]

Peak oil dot com. Always a welcoming home to anti democratic fascists.

All the funnier because almost every one of them lives in a democracy.

[Quinny]

Think most are pro-democracy, but unlike you dor they are not pro-CIA.

[Withnail]

Peak oil dot com. Always a welcoming home to anti democratic fascists.

All the funnier because almost every one of them lives in a democracy.

I live in the UK.

There are no democracies at the present time.

Democracy was a system practised by the citizens of ancient Athens which bears little relation to any societies today.

By that I mean Athens at the time was a much worse society than ours in many ways, but was also much more genuinely democratic.

These days it's just simply a word that's abused in order to justify the crimes of our rulers.

We live in capitalist authoritarian societies, with trappings of democracy, is what I think.

[dorlomin]

Think most are pro-democracy, but unlike you dor they are not pro-CIA.

I think you need this.

[dorlomin]

Democracy was a system practised by the citizens of ancient Athens which bears little relation to any societies today.

It's just simply a word that's abused in order to justify the crimes of our rulers.

True, we are no longer allowed to own slaves and our women are allowed out in public on their own.

I guess guys like you are just mad for that olde tyme slavery owning .

[SeaGypsy]

On that I can agree withnail. We have pseudo democracy, running on the assumption real democracy would be a disaster. The technology is in just about everyone's pockets these days, we could be having citizens referendum on every legislative proposal, that would be democracy would it not? Then we would really get to see the fascism of the masses.

[Withnail]

Democracy was a system practised by the citizens of ancient Athens which bears little relation to any societies today.

It's just simply a word that's abused in order to justify the crimes of our rulers.

True, we are no longer allowed to own slaves and our women are allowed out in public on their own.

I guess guys like you are just mad for that olde tyme slavery owning .

If you bother to read my post correctly, you'll notice that I said ancient Athens was worse than our society in many ways.

But the important point was about democracy. Athens at the time was far more democratic in its processes involving enfranchised citizens, than ours.

And of course I want to own slaves. Stupid government red tape and socialism prevent me from doing so.

[dissident]

I see people just love the absurd contrivance of some central square "people power" revolution. The people who come out these central squares speak only for themselves. They do not speak for the whole population. While the Mickey Mouse narrative sort of flies in Hong Kong due to lack of democratic elections, the exact same rent-a-crowd show was staged in Ukraine late last year. Even if one million clowns came onto the Maidan (they never numbered more than 80,000) they still do not get to replace due process and voting at the ballot. The Maidan coup, just like the coup in Iran in 1953, was a subversion of democracy.

http://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/51830

Supposedly the coup was justified by "corruption". What a joke! Look who is in charge today and look at what is happening to the finances. The gold and currency reserves are disappearing by the day via untraceable activity. A royal success for the coup.

http://en.apa.az/news/220254

[Shaved Monkey]

Agree
Rupert Murdoch is Australia's unelected president who chooses the Prime Minister at every election

[Withnail]

Agree
Rupert Murdoch is Australia's unelected president who chooses the Prime Minister at every election

And in the UK too.

[SeaGypsy]

Who said they loved it? All I said was the header is an insult to all involved with little or no substance to back it up. Personally I reserve such language for the likes of ISIL.

[GHung]

The US has technically never been a democracy; the founders knew better. It is, and always has been, a constitutional republic. Can you imagine if US law was dictated by a one-person/one-vote majority? This is also why other countries have a parlamentarian process like the UK, where a lot of people, like withnail, think folks who question and try to change their society are "maggots".

It's called freedom of f^cking speech and right to assembly, withnail; something the people of HK used to enjoy until the UK bailed out. I, for one, applaud these kids. Perhaps you've never read the letter the founding fathers of my country wrote to your king some time ago. I especially like this part:

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

I'm pretty sure a certain Brtish King refered to the authors as "maggots" as well.