onlooker wrote:Well Cog, i differentiated small business from corporations for the following reasons:
First, large corporations are the ones who can hire a fancy legal team to allow the to use any and all loopholes to not pay taxes. Second, they are the ones mostly being subsidized as in "Too big to fail" . Third, they are the ones who go offshore and take jobs with them. Finally, they earn huge profits yet are the ones most automated and said profits go mostly to shareholders and executives.
onlooker wrote:What about the workers who work in the company should not they get some of the profit. Instead of a lousy salary with no benefits ala Walmart. I ask you Cog, in the name of profit is it okay to deny people health coverage, spoil the environment, outsource jobs, pit workers against each other in a race to the lowest level, poison people (cigarette companies)? Because that is what these large corporation do nationally and internationally.
onlooker wrote: in the name of profit is it okay to deny people health coverage...
So you're OK with the bank, insurance and auto bailouts? Do you know anyone who is employed as a result?Cog wrote:At least with corporate welfare, if there is such a thing, society gets a payback in the form of employed people.
onlooker wrote:Actually Cog 60 to 80% of all new jobs come from small businesses
As for corporate profits they mostly go the shareholders and high executives. Why do you think their is such a large and growing disparity between the rich and poor. As for the great dole out from government welfare programs it is barely sufficient to live and yet in the last few years more and more people have resorted to food stamps and such programs because the job creation is stagnant and wages are low relative to cost of living. Oh and one final statistic Small businesses employ 57% of the country's private workforce
So corporations are not the great benefit you describe. In fact many are subsidized by government. The fossil fuel companies and agriculture companies to name a few.
Cog wrote:onlooker wrote:What about the workers who work in the company should not they get some of the profit. Instead of a lousy salary with no benefits ala Walmart. I ask you Cog, in the name of profit is it okay to deny people health coverage, spoil the environment, outsource jobs, pit workers against each other in a race to the lowest level, poison people (cigarette companies)? Because that is what these large corporation do nationally and internationally.
Your pay or worth to a company is what you bring to the table. If you are industrious and pay your dues, you will rise in both pay and responsibly in a corporation. If you are content to go through the motions, then you are going to be stuck at whatever level the company thinks you are worth. Even in so called dead end jobs like McDonalds or Wal-mart there is room to move up if show some hard work and ambition. If you can't hack it there, you aren't going to hack it anywhere. Wal-mart has no obligation to pay you more than what you are worth. You social justice warriors are free to donate your money to correct what you see as corporate injustices, if you are so inclined.
As far as environment and safety goes, I said earlier that there are things that government does well. The EPA and OSHA have cut down on deaths and injuries in the work place and have improved the quality of the environment since their inception. Those two agencies did go off the deep end once in a while but overall they do have a good regulatory function.
I do not pit myself against other employees. My competition is not with them, it is with myself and what I am willing to do to reach my goals. What I have done is start at the very bottom in my career and through education, some hard work, and showing value to my various employers, rose in pay and management level until I felt comfortable. I have no desire to run a company or own one. I know those guys can reap great rewards but I have seen the hours they have to work. They are on the clock 24/7. Not worth it to me. I like my time off to spend with my family and enjoy my hobbies. But to each his own. I care not one whit what my company president makes. Doesn't affect what he pays me since I negotiate with him on what I think I am worth. If I don't like his pay, I will go elsewhere.
Cog wrote:I do not know what set of circumstances put her in the position of buying ice with an EBT card.
When Keynes was trying to make his point, he suggested the government pay workers to dig a hole in the ground and then fill it in again; the point he was trying to make is that it doesn’t really matter what you spent the money as long as you spent it.
Another tale is that Keynes deliberately knocked his napkin on the floor in a restaurant. His reason was that he wanted to make sure the waiter was ‘fully employed’
Newfie wrote:With all of our fossil fuel slaves we have very little need for people to work.
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