pstarr wrote:right now I am working on irrigation at my fortress doomstead. It's not an easy task, as each garden bed is wired with C4 explosives and guarded by many guard dogs.
pstarr wrote:Perhaps if you would stop calling me a 'doomer'
pstarr wrote:But seriously, do you really believe that geological petroleum depletion is "narrative."
Linus: There are three four things I have learned never to discuss with people: religion, politics, PO and the Great Pumpkin.
onlooker wrote:Depends on who you refer to. If you are talking about a country in Central America like Guatemala, you probably have fallen off the plateau already.
vtsnowedin wrote:But you are missing the point that once we (the whole world) falls off the plateau there just won't be enough oil circulating around the globe. Those that have it will hoard it or sell it only at very high prices and those without which have been getting along fine supplied by the global market will suddenly find that they can't get any oil at a price they can pay.
ennui2 wrote:Oil is a global commodity and it's not necessarily TEOTWAWKI for any part of the world that doesn't have oil if it can trade for enough circulating around the globe to keep it supplied (and there is plenty available for that).
Strummer wrote:ennui2 wrote:Oil is a global commodity and it's not necessarily TEOTWAWKI for any part of the world that doesn't have oil if it can trade for enough circulating around the globe to keep it supplied (and there is plenty available for that).
And how are those countries supposed to pay for that oil? You need to have meaningful and actually needed exports to be able to pay for the imports of primary resources. Sure, countries like Germany or Japan will always be able to pay for their oil imports, because they actually produce lots of stuff which is necessary for running the global civilization and will be necessary even after TEOTWAWKI. But then you have someone like Greece (or to a lesser extent Ukraine), countries that are just almost pure consumers. They don't have anything to offer in exchange for the oil they need to exist. Ukraine at least has the choice of returning to the Russian markets, but Greece? No one actually needs Greece for anything (or the United Kingdom, or Ireland).
vtsnowedin wrote:But you are missing the point that once we (the whole world) falls off the plateau there just won't be enough oil circulating around the globe. Those that have it will hoard it or sell it only at very high prices and those without which have been getting along fine supplied by the global market will suddenly find that they can't get any oil at a price they can pay.
Strummer wrote:And how are those countries supposed to pay for that oil?
Strummer wrote:But then you have someone like Greece (or to a lesser extent Ukraine), countries that are just almost pure consumers.
ennui2 wrote:Strummer wrote:And how are those countries supposed to pay for that oil?
It's called trade. You get oil in exchange for some other goods and services.Strummer wrote:But then you have someone like Greece (or to a lesser extent Ukraine), countries that are just almost pure consumers.
And I'm supposed to feel sorry for countries that can't get their act together?
ralfy wrote:Like the U.S. using the dollar in exchange for goods and services?
ennui2 wrote:ralfy wrote:Like the U.S. using the dollar in exchange for goods and services?
What's your point?
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