KaiserJeep wrote:Anybody who wishes to understand the fascist nature of the nominally socialist governments of Denmark, Norway, Sweden, etc. should read the excellent and entertaining trilogy of novels by Stieg Larsson (The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo / The Girl Who Played With Fire / The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest).
As an American who is conscious of and protective of personal freedoms, the degree of government intrusion into private matters that is endured by citizens of the afore-mentioned countries (and other still moving left and getting more socialist) is shocking and saddening. Yet apparently many of the citizens of these countries are largely unaware of the lost privileges and liberties, never having had them during their lives.
It's enough to cause a thinking person to have second thoughts about voting for Bernie Sanders.
onlooker wrote:One can say the same about Democracy. True Democracy has hardly ever existed. Perhaps Athens for awhile, perhaps here in the US for a little while. Other than that their has been no real democracy. The US lost it from late 1800s to early 1900s to the plutocrats and monied interests. Everywhere else countries have been controlled by a small minority with disproportionate wealth and political influence and power. It is the real and sad history of humanity. A history of a hierarchy system or oligarchy system controlled by a very small percentage of the population who via the power of money as well as hereditary systems of transference of power have managed to establish, maintain or reaffirm their hold on power
A day in court for Ukrainian businessman-turned-politician Hennadiy Korban descended into chaos after thugs barged into the courtroom in Kyiv and began randomly beating those in attendance.
In a video uploaded to the Internet by Korban's UKROP party, young men, many wearing hoodies and other athletic attire, can be seen storming into the cramped quarters of the courtroom at the Dnipro District Court on December 27, amid screams of protest, mainly from the women present.
According to the Ukrainian news agency, UNIAN, whose correspondent was beaten, police did little to stop them.
As Korban supporters tussled with the troublemakers, a fire extinguisher went off repeatedly.
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Korban, the head of UKROP and an opponent of President Petro Poroshenko, hails from the eastern industrial city of Dnipropetrovsk
KaiserJeep wrote:Yeah, here in the USA we pretty much burn our pols in effigy, not real life. Seldom has a day passed when Obama and all his predecessors were not burned outside the White House by protesters for something or somebody.
A quantitative difference, if not a qualitative one.
onlooker wrote:
KaiserJeep wrote:I think there would be - even today and even here in the USA - lynchings if our politicians did not guard themselves very well, using our money.
The difference between the USA and Ukraine is only that our pols are better guarded, which is why I said quantitative.
There are lots of tragedies in Washington, DC. My definition of a tragedy is a tree or a lamp post without a politician hanging from it.
PrestonSturges wrote:onlooker wrote:
That's a pretty obvious fake Jefferson quote, as are most TJ quotes on the internet.
https://www.monticello.org/site/jeffers ... tquotation
Fascism
1."Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompasing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator.
2."Nothing outside the state". The country must grow and the implied goal of any fascist nation is to rule the world, and have every human submit to the government.
3."Nothing against the state". Any type of questioning the government is not to be tolerated. If you do not see things our way, you are wrong. If you do not agree with the government, you cannot be allowed to live and taint the minds of the rest of the good citizens.
The use of militarism was implied only as a means to accomplish one of the three above principles, mainly to keep the people and rest of the world in line. Fascist countries are known for their harmony and lack of internal strife. There are no conflicting parties or elections in fascist countries.
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