Plantagenet wrote:An even bigger "loophole" in the ACA is that you don't have to sign up at all to get coverage. You can pretty much skip paying premiums and just sign up when you get sick. There are now so many valid excuses for late signup that the smart thing to do is just skip signing up and paying monthly premiums….. Wait until you find out you are sick and then sign up the next day----even if you've never paid a single premium in your life you are still entitled to full coverage starting the day you sign up.
Cheers!
Outcast_Searcher wrote:And as I understand it, you there is generally a 90 day waiting period if you don't sign up during the normal annual window.
Shaved Monkey wrote:My dad went in for treatment a few months back in a private/public hospital he was in a single room, had musicians come in and play him songs,the place looked like a 5 star hotel had food halls and free internet cafes and art classes, it was free.
Plantagenet wrote:Shaved Monkey wrote:My dad went in for treatment a few months back in a private/public hospital he was in a single room, had musicians come in and play him songs,the place looked like a 5 star hotel had food halls and free internet cafes and art classes, it was free.
Bernie Sanders is trying to give Americans the same kind of single payer healthcare you've got there in Australia. Unfortunately most Americans and even most Ds don't want single payer healthcare----they'd rather have Obamacare.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:
So by what magic do you propose the health care experience (re Shaved's example) for Americans be greatly improved for FAR less money?
Plantagenet wrote:Outcast_Searcher wrote:
So by what magic do you propose the health care experience (re Shaved's example) for Americans be greatly improved for FAR less money?
Australia isn't the magic kingdom of OZ. Its a real place that has a real health care system that works. Rather then dismissing the success in Australia as due to magic, why not see what they are doing right and then learn from their success?
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Outcast_Searcher wrote:... re US health care costs. Do you really expect Capitol Hill to follow the Aussie's example, when they ignored everything else while adopting Obamacare?
I'm not saying it's impossible. (See my earlier post on how great things are in a Thailand top fop for-profit competent hospital vs. the typical American experience). I'm asking how do you do that in the US, given the current "Assholes in Charge"?
Plantagenet wrote:Clearly the US missed a golden opportunity to put in a single payer system when we elected O in 2008. The Ds had total control of the Congress and many people thought O and the Ds would support single-payer, but instead O and the Ds turned out to be against single payer so we wound up with Obamacare.
Now O and Hillary are fighting AGAINST single payer to protect Obamacare. Its nuts!
Plantagenet wrote:
With Bernie Sanders running we've got a candidate who really is in favor of single payer, and who won't flip flop once in office. Electing Bernie would be a big step towards getting single payer health insurance in the USA and reining in some of the healthcare madness in the USA.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:Yeah, and Bernie says we can pay for that with little more than wishful thinking and FAR less money than Americans currently spend on healthcare overall. Of course, there are no meaningful details on how that is going to happen.
Currently, US healthcare costs over 99% as much more than THE ENTIRE FEDERAL INCOME TAX BASE in the US. (Federal 2014 tax receipts, about $3.05 trillion, 2014 US medical expenditures, about $3.0 trillion).
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts ... ?Docid=200
https://www.cms.gov/research-statistics ... lights.pdf
So by what magic do you propose the health care experience (re Shaved's example) for Americans be greatly improved for FAR less money?
And of course, when Bernie's promise is shown to be complete rubbish, I'm SURE he'll refund everyone's money, and restore the health of everyone who has an adverse event (including death) when the system falls apart from lack of funding.
(I'm all for the US health care system being better and cheaper, or just as good and much cheaper. I just don't expect hollow socialist purple unicorns to be able to deliver it any time soon.)
Shaved Monkey wrote:Outcast_Searcher wrote:Yeah, and Bernie says we can pay for that with little more than wishful thinking and FAR less money than Americans currently spend on healthcare overall. Of course, there are no meaningful details on how that is going to happen.
Currently, US healthcare costs over 99% as much more than THE ENTIRE FEDERAL INCOME TAX BASE in the US. (Federal 2014 tax receipts, about $3.05 trillion, 2014 US medical expenditures, about $3.0 trillion).
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts ... ?Docid=200
https://www.cms.gov/research-statistics ... lights.pdf
So by what magic do you propose the health care experience (re Shaved's example) for Americans be greatly improved for FAR less money?
And of course, when Bernie's promise is shown to be complete rubbish, I'm SURE he'll refund everyone's money, and restore the health of everyone who has an adverse event (including death) when the system falls apart from lack of funding.
(I'm all for the US health care system being better and cheaper, or just as good and much cheaper. I just don't expect hollow socialist purple unicorns to be able to deliver it any time soon.)
Under the current systems
Australians spend less than $4,000 per person on their purple unicorn socialist system healthcare
US spends nearly $9,000 per person.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... per_capita
Life expectancy for Australians is 83 years in the US its 79
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... expectancy
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