SeaGypsy wrote:Since it appears Trump could pull a Mussolini mandate, his economic mandate could change the whole ballgame. Interesting times.
ennui2 wrote: the Reverend Wright scandal in the 2008 election.
efarmer wrote:Tanada, I read your reply to my post and I see your point in how predatory the fractional banking system is in cultural and "big picture" terms. I did use the terms productive and vital, and agree that some better overall system would be a healthier situation for civilization going forward. My point would be to consider the chaos of the system crashing and locking up, and the immediate and wide ranging chaos so created. In this environment a segway to a better scheme based on less predatory principles would in my opinion be lost and chaos would simply rule the vacuum. Like any of our systems including energy, transitioning to a more desirable scheme involves enough stability to manage such a transition and directing the inertia of the present system into a new one with some care and consensus. In the case of the money system collapsing, such stability is very improbable.
Best,
EF
Hawkcreek wrote:efarmer wrote:Tanada, I read your reply to my post and I see your point in how predatory the fractional banking system is in cultural and "big picture" terms. I did use the terms productive and vital, and agree that some better overall system would be a healthier situation for civilization going forward. My point would be to consider the chaos of the system crashing and locking up, and the immediate and wide ranging chaos so created. In this environment a segway to a better scheme based on less predatory principles would in my opinion be lost and chaos would simply rule the vacuum. Like any of our systems including energy, transitioning to a more desirable scheme involves enough stability to manage such a transition and directing the inertia of the present system into a new one with some care and consensus. In the case of the money system collapsing, such stability is very improbable.
Best,
EF
I agree with almost all of what you say. But a look at history shows that the number of occasions in which an unjust system this firmly entrenched is changed without violence, is far fewer than the opposite. The elite would literally rather lose their heads than give back any of their wealth.
I expect lots of violence, beginning within a year or two.
The world has always been about change, and our responses to it. Just part of the experience.
Lore wrote:Bush started better wars.
Plantagenet wrote:Lore wrote:Bush started better wars.
Bush might be ahead on quality, but Obama is winning on quantity. AND there's still time for Obama to start another war or two.
Even Obama admits his war on Libya was catastrophic, Obama's war against the Caliphate in Syria isn't over yet, and what Obama calls the "good war" in Afghanistan is heating up again.
cheers!
Lore wrote: Interventions don't make very good wars
Lore wrote:and as far as Afghanistan, didn't Bush start that one?
Lore wrote:It was Bush that started the wars. That was the question. Not who supported him in them, or who they got turned over to.
Lore wrote:It was Bush that started the wars. That was the question. Not who supported him in them, or who they got turned over to.
Plantagenet wrote:It THAT what you are so wee-wee'd up about? The what? The Reverend Wright scandal? Thats whats upsetting you?
For heaven's sakes, man--that happened 8 years ago. It was a little tiny two-day scandal thats been forgotten for eight years now.
Gosh you are a weird person.
onlooker wrote:Lore wrote:It was Bush that started the wars. That was the question. Not who supported him in them, or who they got turned over to.
Yep, the Neocons started the conflagration in the Middle East. Nothing henceforth has equaled that.
jedrider wrote:"In the US war is declared by the Congress, not the President."
Difference between 'de jure' and 'de facto'.
onlooker wrote: wholesale invasions and destruction of countries and all out civil war and terrorists multiplying in number it seems daily was not happening till after 911
Lore wrote:Yeah, George just managed to stir the pot a lot more.
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