This thing does look odd, did Obama actually flat out say it was his decision to remove the Winston Churchill bust?
One thing to just note though, AGAIN, is that UK and US politics are so linked that really Churchill over here is a REPUBLICAN thing -- Obama was snubbing conservatives in general, when he took Churchill out.
But yeah, I'm gonna have to watch this thing on youtube, diplomatically that's just ridiculous to come swaggering into London like a loud American telling Brits how to vote and economic scaremongering and bragging he threw away Winston Churchill's bust, what's up with that.
(I still suspect Cameron and Obama were in cahoots though)
Obama, Cameron and the Day of the ‘Remains’The president’s entry into the ‘Brexit’ debate included adding to the economic scaremongering.
The debate about whether Britain should remain in the European Union or leave (“Brexit”) took a dramatic turn Friday when President Obama broke off from wishing Queen Elizabeth II a happy 90th birthday
to lecture the British people about how to vote in the EU referendum on June 23.
In a joint news conference with Prime Minister David Cameron, who has staked his political future on Britain’s voting “Remain” rather than “Leave,” Mr. Obama was full of surprises.
For one thing, he admitted that it had been his call to remove the bust of Winston Churchill from the Oval Office when he first became president. That was a jaw-dropper, because until now the White House has maintained that the decision was taken before Mr. Obama took up residence and was no reflection on the president’s attitude toward Britain or its “special relationship” with the United States.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-cameron-and-the-day-of-the-remains-1461364735
Obama put the bust into mothballs, but American conservatives got the USS Winston Churchill anyhow, so that's better than a bust:
If a Republican wins the WH, most likely Churchill bust will come out of storage and be put back on the oval office shelf.
(hm, can we get a better looking churchill bust though? That's the one that got removed and put in storage.)
Here's the press conference, so far I'm hearing David Cameron say how much he loves the EU and trade deals and Obama agrees with him:
And we both know just how important trade deals are, in driving global growth. So Barrack and I, reamin the most determined, to achieve our vision." -- David Cameron
https://youtu.be/kn3eBn0D--w
Gas, mate -- it's okay to be unhappy with Obama and Clinton and our establishment Republicans and D's.. but spread the blame
, David Cameron sounds like "Bush Republican" to me, and it's the same kind of view Clinton has, and it's the same view your establishment tories and labour have.
It's the Establishment, not just "the Americans," it's "the British" too.
Watching some more of the press conference, I can tell what Cameron is doing -- he's actually trying to have two positions at once.
I'll stop going on about this but really it's unfair all around -- David Cameron keeps dragging in our President and it's a good cop / bad cop thing and it pressures British voters, and this happened with the Scottish secession vote too.
Brits ought to be upset with CAMERON, first and foremost.
And then, Obama going over there and being the "heavy" and bad cop and Cameron gets to put it off on the "Americans," it's a sneaky kind of thing Cameron does and Obama going along with it makes all of us Americans look bad.
Thing about David Cameron is.. that's a *politician*. It is no different than someone like Ted Cruz, over here. So what Cameron is probably doing is trying to keep his conservative base on board with him, then drag in the American president and let him be the bad cop. That's politician kind of stuff, right there.
Anyhow -- Obama going over there, saying all this -- it was MOST LIKELY all at Cameron's request and the British Foreign Ministry but then Cameron has to position it so it looks like America is the bad guy, because Cameron is thinking about his conservative base.
If Cameron were truly loyal to his base, he wouldn't have brought Obama in to start with and have a press conference. Obama being so forceful, and Cameron sounding like he is riding a line between his base and establishment, makes it look to me like it's all calculated.Long story short -- it's not "the Americans" fault -- Brits, look in the mirror, you got an establishment too, you have "RINOs" too.
Lastly -- if Trump wins the WH over here, and assuming he doesn't turn establishment, then the US would have a more US-centric view. And I presume Trump would be okay with the UKIP and BRITAIN having a Britain-centric view, if that's what British voters want.
And we can still be allies, and still stand up to the Russians, and we'll always be family even if we have more individual sovereignty and less global government. Common defense -- NATO, and the military integration going on between US and UK, none of that requires the UK to be in the EU.