Outcast_Searcher wrote:If it's accurate and verified that there are far more democrat votes in 3 Detroit precincts than registered voters, why isn't this big news? Why don't I find hits for this story in the MSM via Google searches?
When I do general searches for things like "more votes than voters", I find things like 2012 Snopes denials of the veracity.
When I add things like 'Detroit" or "Michigan" and "2016", I get no MSM hits.
When I search on clarityelections or clarityelections.com, I don't seem to get hits that let me establish the veracity (or impartiality) of this source.
So is this stuff for real, or are these early wild-eyed (completely unverified) partisan claims?
By the way, I'm NOT saying this isn't true. I'm trying to establish whether many credible, supposedly objective sources are willing to state it's true.
So far, unless I can find much better sources to verify this, it sounds more like urban legend than facts.
One-third of precincts in Wayne County could be disqualified from an unprecedented statewide recount of presidential election results because of problems with ballots.
Michigan’s largest county voted overwhelmingly for Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, but officials couldn’t reconcile vote totals for 610 of 1,680 precincts during a countywide canvass of vote results late last month.
Most of those are in heavily Democratic Detroit, where the number of ballots in precinct poll books did not match those of voting machine printout reports in 59 percent of precincts, 392 of 662.
According to state law, precincts whose poll books don’t match with ballots can’t be recounted. If that happens, original election results stand.
“It’s not good,” conceded Daniel Baxter, elections director for the city of Detroit.
He blamed the discrepancies on the city’s decade-old voting machines, saying 87 optical scanners broke on Election Day. Many jammed when voters fed ballots into scanners, which can result in erroneous vote counts if ballots are inserted multiple times. Poll workers are supposed to adjust counters to reflect a single vote but in many cases failed to do so, causing the discrepancies, Baxter said.
Even so, Baxter said it’s unlikely all 392 of the city’s precincts with mismatched numbers will be disqualified from a recount. The city is in contact with elections officials at the state of Michigan and Baxter predicted the numbers will match when the ballot boxes are re-opened for the recount, which starts Tuesday in Wayne County at Cobo Center.
“It’s a challenge, but we’re confident the ballots will match,” Baxter said. “I don’t think it’s going to be 100 percent, but it never is with a recount.
County reports obtained by The Detroit News, though, indicate canvassers were provided no explanation for why the numbers didn’t add up in those precincts. They certified the results of the election anyway.
In Detroit, 158 of the 392 precincts with ballot discrepancies had just one extra ballot accounted for either in the poll book or in the ballot box, according to the Wayne County’s canvassing report.
For suburban Wayne County, 72 percent of the 218 precincts boxes with discrepancies in the number of ballots were off by one ballot.
The other ballot discrepancies in Detroit and Wayne County precincts ranged between two and five ballots, according to the report.
Subjectivist wrote:Outcast_Searcher wrote:...
So is this stuff for real, or are these early wild-eyed (completely unverified) partisan claims?
By the way, I'm NOT saying this isn't true. I'm trying to establish whether many credible, supposedly objective sources are willing to state it's true.
So far, unless I can find much better sources to verify this, it sounds more like urban legend than facts.
Here you go, the Detroit Nrews, one of the oldest newspapers in America.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/p ... /95007392/One-third of precincts in Wayne County could be disqualified from an unprecedented statewide recount of presidential election results because of problems with ballots.
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ROCKMAN wrote:vt - Been thinking the same thing. But more about CA and noncitizen voters. Have read that it's very easy for non-citizens to LEGALLY get a CA drivers license. And often the applicant is asked if they want to take care of voter registration at the same time. Supposedly one audit of new driver's license registration showed 30% of the non-US citizens given a license were also registered to vote. The very unofficial estimate is that 2 to 3 million non-US citizens are actually on the CA voter registration list.
ROCKMAN wrote:vt - Been thinking the same thing. But more about CA and noncitizen voters. Have read that it's very easy for non-citizens to LEGALLY get a CA drivers license. And often the applicant is asked if they want to take care of voter registration at the same time. Supposedly one audit of new driver's license registration showed 30% of the non-US citizens given a license were also registered to vote. The very unofficial estimate is that 2 to 3 million non-US citizens are actually on the CA voter registration list.
Requirements for undocumented immigrants’ California AB 60 driver license will be the same as everyone else, but the cards will look a little bit different. On the front, it says “Federal Limits Apply.” On the back, it reads, “ “This card is not acceptable for official federal purposes. This license is issued only as a license to drive a motor vehicle. It does not establish eligibility for employment, voter registration, or public benefits.”
http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/ab-60- ... icense.php
... the design has met the Real ID Act requirements
The California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) reports it has issued 605,000 driver licenses under Assembly Bill 60 (AB 60) since it was implemented on January 2, 2015.
These media sources are highly biased toward conservative causes. They utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Sources in this category may be untrustworthy.
Notes: WND is an online news source that has a far right bias and dabbles in right wing conspiracies.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:Subjectivist wrote:Outcast_Searcher wrote:...
So is this stuff for real, or are these early wild-eyed (completely unverified) partisan claims?
By the way, I'm NOT saying this isn't true. I'm trying to establish whether many credible, supposedly objective sources are willing to state it's true.
So far, unless I can find much better sources to verify this, it sounds more like urban legend than facts.
Here you go, the Detroit Nrews, one of the oldest newspapers in America.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/p ... /95007392/One-third of precincts in Wayne County could be disqualified from an unprecedented statewide recount of presidential election results because of problems with ballots.
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Thanks Sub. I'd found that story. (It was linked in a post upthread).
But it seemed to be talking about something COMPLETELY different than Cog's finding on the three precincts. The examples I saw (in some other MSM article) talked about mismatches like between one and five votes. And unless I missed it, I saw NOTHING about precincts with over 100% votes cast.
I'm looking for MSM articles specifically confirming that in Detroit, there were multiple precincts showing well in excess of 100% of registered voters voting. (Which would imply serious, systemic voter fraud in Detroit).
Newfie wrote:Trying to answer my own question (over a VERY slow connection) about motor/voter rules I've come to this.
Many states do NOT require prof of citizenship in order to get either a DL or to register to vote. These include PA, VA, and CA among others. They ASK if you are a citizen but either have lax proof standards or none at all.
Federal motor voter legislation requires states to improve registration rates but does NOT require them to prove you are a citizen.
Real ID legislation, enacted in 2005 DOES require states to prove legal status. To date o my about half of states comply. States NOT in compliance include WA, OR, CA, MI, VA, PA, NY.
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