[Newfie]

Post Irma we are all bored. Need-more-drama!

Did your trees survive?

[dissident]

Also there's some weird sectors like Alt-Right, blaming Joos for everything they don't like, walking the steps of Hitler- a hard core socialist. As always, extreme right & extreme left are virtually indistinguishable. When Americans talk about right & left, they are usually talking the few degrees tilt applying to centrism which actually always ends up being the reality in modern democracy.

Centrists have their own bias- against conspiracy theory in general. This has been very easy to amp up by such social media campaigns as 'chemtrails' + the latest twist in stupid- the new flat Earthers. Such complete dickheads give plenty of fuel for defensive centrists to burn up the entire notion of doubt in faith in our beneficiant systems & people in government. This is why 9/11 got put to bed around here- just an example.

What are you smoking. You think Trump and his supporters are all rabid anti-Semites? Alt-right is the same tag being applied to him and his support base. I see, in your mind, if people don't support the neocon agenda that has taken over both the Republican and Democrat parties, then they must be Nazis and genocide supporters.

F*CK OFF.

[SeaGypsy]

Rahderah rah rah rah (get your liver checked), table flipper.

[Newfie]

Not the kind of drama I had in mind.

Maybe we should start a FIGHT CLUB thread where folks can go to hurl baseless insults at one another.

If you want to continue without the insults, start such a thread and move the fight over there so that we all know where to ignore it.

[Plantagenet]

I just heard a long interview with Hillary Clinton on NPR.

Wow---mark Hillary down as a "left winger" prone to conspiracy theories.

According to her Comey and Trump and the Russians and Bernie Sanders and BH Obama and the internet and Loretta Lynch and the Press and Voting machine companies and Matt Lauer and Polling Companies and Facebook and wikileaks and the FBI and the TV news networks and the State Department and the ignorant American people were all engaged in a dastardly conspiracy to deny her what was rightfully hers, i.e. the Presidency. But especially Comey---she really blames Comey.

Hillary herself thinks she bears no personal responsibility at all for her electoral loss in 2016-----according to her everything that happened was all the fault of the millions of people out there who all conspired against her at all levels of the US movement and in all ships at sea.

Hillary's "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" has now grown to the point that in her mind, it includes just about everybody who didn't vote for her, as well as many people who probably did.

Unfortunately, many of her fellow Ds also believe in this particular conspiracy. Its kind of fascinating, really, to watch this particular conspiracy theory being born right now, right before our eyes. Like most conspiracy theories something important happens, and people can't accept it so they imagine that there are secret conspiracies that caused it to happen.

Cheers!

[ROCKMAN]

I find most conspiracy theory fixated folks generally tend to also be paranoid. And I've never noticed paranoia to be the exclusive rhelm of one political party or the other. But it tends to be broadcast more vigorously by the losers of any particular conflict regardless of their political leaning.

[SeaGypsy]

The Hillary thing is hilarious, her whole campaign riddled with conspiracy, brought down by an even bigger conspiracy.

[Newfie]

Supposedly the remaining JFK assignation papers are to be released shortly, including in redacted versions of former issues.

Will Trump allow that?

Will they change anyone's mind?

[Tanada]

Supposedly the remaining JFK assignation papers are to be released shortly, including in redacted versions of former issues.

Will Trump allow that?

Will they change anyone's mind?

Why would trump fight it? He was still a young man when the assassination took place.

[asg70]

Why would trump fight it? He was still a young man when the assassination took place.

Because TPTB is always supposed to impede the free flow of information. It's part of the whole conspiracy narrative.

[Plantagenet]

Apparently some of the files set to be released contain information about Oswald's contacts with the Cuban Embassy and possibly other communists in Mexico shortly before he returned to the USA and assassinated Kennedy, as well as on the extent of CIA/FBI surveillance of Oswald and how much the CIA/FBI knew in advance about Oswald's plans.

trump-allow-release-of-secret-jfk-assassination-papers

Probably some interesting things in these papers, but they seem likely to confirm the Warren Report rather then the various conspiracy theories out there.

Cheers!

[Newfie]

Supposedly the remaining JFK assignation papers are to be released shortly, including in redacted versions of former issues.

Will Trump allow that?

Will they change anyone's mind?

Why would trump fight it? He was still a young man when the assassination took place.

Tanada,

The question wasn't about what Trump would do, it was more to draw out people's anticipations, what they THINK Trump will do. Is he part of the "conspiracy"?

[ROCKMAN]

Newfie - Here's some details I would like to see offered. But I doubt they ever will be. It would go well beyond Cuban/Mexican influence and what the CIA knew or didn't know. It could indicate an active participant on the ground in Dallas other then Oswald:

"President Kennedy wasn't the only victim in the Dallas motorcade on 22 Nov 1963. Governor Connally, riding in the "jump seat" ahead of Kennedy, was also shot. His wounds included an entry wound in the back near the right shoulder, a broken rib, an exit wound in the chest, a shattered wrist caused by a bullet entering from the dorsal (back) side, and a fragment lodged in his thigh.

The Warren Commission, by necessity if there was to be a single shooter, said that all of these wounds were caused by a single bullet. Furthermore, this bullet was said to be the same one which had passed first through JFK. The bullet said to cause all 7 wounds in two men is Commission Exhibit 399, found on a stretcher in Parkland Hospital in virtually pristine condition, with apparently no blood or tissue on it. CE 399 is flattened somewhat, and rifling marks show it clearly had been fired from the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle at some point. But was it fired earlier and then planted?"

Additionally for years they claimed it would be too dangerous to remove the bullet fragments that showed up clearly on the xray of Connally's wrist. First, a very bad (potentially deady) idea to leave lead fragments in a body for years. Also no report that the frags were removed after his death. And that nearly intact bullet that "fell" out of the wound would be very difficult to find in the US. IOW if it was planted how did the planter have such ready access to it?

And there's my contribution to all the conspiracy theories. From someone who has dug more the a few bullets from the bodies of large mammals. Bullet performance is always a serious factor for a serious shooter. And why the Rockman never hunted with FMJ's.

[Outcast_Searcher]

Supposedly the remaining JFK assignation papers are to be released shortly, including in redacted versions of former issues.

Will Trump allow that?

Will they change anyone's mind?

The Kennedy conspiracy was the only one I (used to) believe in. I just couldn't buy the "magic bullet".

Until, of course, mythbusters did the experiment where they fired the same type of bullet from the same type of gun into a big wooden post about 6 feet long, length wise. And it burrowed about 3-4 feet into the post, and when they dug it out, wala, it was pristine.

Science. Data. Since then, I just laugh at all the conspiracy theories. Great entertainments, and no commercials required.

[Cog]

Lead bullets or fragments are fairly benign when left in bodies. They do not lead to lead poisoning.

[Newfie]

OS,
That's not my only problem. Bigger is the idea of someone making those shots. Never been duplicated to my knowledge. They were able to do it, if the damn gun didn't jam, on STATIONARY targets, sometimes. But those were professional marksmen and their target wasn't moving and it wasn't the President of the USA.

But lets not beleaguer this. Believe what you may. It's the only conspiracy theory I ascribe to.