Newfie wrote:As always with these threads part of the problem is the definition of the time frame.
That is why I was ambiguous about the time frame and left it an open question. This adds to the diversity of the discussion. Also, Sea actually asked a profound question asking who is the we. It may seem to others as straight forward in that I meant humanity overall. However, us on this site having a bit more knowledge about these subjects than your average person, are aware that collapse will not be uniform either in time or space and so affect certain groups more acutely at different times than others groups.
So, it is a matter of degrees. If you answered that you foresee a drastic descent of civilization then you probably envision this descent as pretty universal. Baha, is also trying to parse time frames ie. within 20 years and post 20 years. Again, it does not involve any wrong answers or right ones. It is a matter of how each of us see all this unfolding chronologically. Personally, having chosen a drastic die off and descent of civilization. I, personally believe that it will probably happen no later than 2050. I believe this because of the cumulative array of problems and challenges that together in my estimation pose an unsolvable amalgam to avoid this fate. In particular, I believe CC will truly have calamitous consequences in the next few decades. Sorry, but that is just my opinion from all the reading and my interpretation.