evilgenius wrote:I don't think that you guys who want to retire in the sticks have any idea what it's like to get old. I see it almost every day. I work around those people. You won't be out chopping wood. What you had best think about is what kind of help you can get in rural Methville. There's one in every state, even the one you want to move to. Small towns with any notion of success won't have any room for you. There, you had better contribute or die. Their model doesn't include you.
Speaking of not being included, this country ought to face the dissatisfaction of its young now, while there is still time for you soon to be oldsters to have a shot at getting the help you'll need when the time comes. Just because the best place to get that help will be in the cities doesn't mean it will exist. The millennials have a lot of resentment for your generation, and they will eventually be in charge,- right about the time you are the most vulnerable.
evilgenius wrote:I don't think that you guys who want to retire in the sticks have any idea what it's like to get old. I
As in the rest of the United States, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, as much as half of the farm workforce in New York is undocumented. The fear of deportation looming over Hudson Valley farmworkers is also impacting farmers—what they’re willing to plant and what they think they’ll be able to harvest.
“My ancestors are Irish and they were called all sorts of names,” Pete, a 58-year-old farmer, told me. He said the country has swung back around to how it was a century ago. “Now people say Hispanics are taking their jobs,” Pete said. “Come on. You can’t get a kid who can flip a burger to come here and do this job for $15 an hour. If we had a workforce that was willing to do this work, I’d hire them, but we don’t.” A 2014 American Farm Bureau study backs that up: It shows that unemployed Americans regularly shun farm work, even preferring to stay unemployed.
Ibon wrote:Being a benevolent patron is working for us. $ 12 a day is the average salary for ranch hands here who chop our wood, clear our trails, harvest our coffee, clean out ditches, repair river crossings after heavy rains.
We treat them with respect and humble ourselves in gratefulness for the calories they burn every day in their hard labor to keep our operation going.
Ibon wrote:This is not a topic of political divisiveness. Under both Obama and Trump deportations have grown. Obama deported while talking sweet. Trump deports while demonizing immigrants. In either case, this has been bad for American farmers.
Newfie wrote:Ibon,
You are speaking from your perspective. What about th perspective of the laborour? What is it like for him to get old?
onlooker wrote:One can only hope we all meet our end quickly and relatively painlessly as the situation deteoriates around this planet.
Plantagenet wrote:We can hope that some regions and countries deteriorate faster then others,.
Cheers!
evilgenius wrote:I'm talking about how debilitating it can be to get old. I see it every day. People need help to do the simplest things.
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