Cog wrote:You mentioned the word owner Newfie. Is a non-owner of a company entitled to the fruits of the labor of the owner? Or in this case the owner's decision to off-shore labor?
Newfie wrote:Interesting argument.
So a guy in Ohio makes $80/hr and a guy in China makes $8/hr.
Moving the work from Ohio to China gives the Owner $72/hr.
I suppose the logical extrem of your logic is that all wealth should go to one individual?
Newfie wrote:LOL, I suppose you were trying to respond to me, but I see you are bring a lot assumptions about what I mean to the conversation. Hard to engage in debate about what you THINK I mean.
I’ve no problem with hard working folks being duly compensated. But all folks should be duly compensated for their work.
A mine owner never made a dime without a miner. Automation is changing that. But the owner didn’t invent the machinery, he just bought it, and then keeps the miner compensation.
But let’s talk Steel. Let’s suppose on some Christmas Day a stealth Chinese squad snuck into a US steel mill (if they can find one) and blew it up, totally destroyed it. The squad was funded and equipped by the Chinese government.
How is that different from causing a plant to close due to price cutting?
Now somewhere down where I used to have a heart and give a crap I thought that part of being a American (whatever nationality) meant that we rooted for our side. Somewhere in the covenant of citizenship was an implied promise that we would act together for the mutual benefit of those within our borders. And folks who ignored that covenant, who worked for foreign interests to the detriment of this nations population were not highly regarded or, in when it came to national security, considered traitors.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Tanada wrote:When the CEO of GM said "What is good for GM is good for America" he wasn't being sarcastic, and even though some of the practices of the company were reprehensible they were still an American company employing Americans and mostly selling to Americans. now GM is much more of a Chinese manufacturer with white collar corporate staff in Detroit that have gutted their American manufacturing capacity in favor of cheap labor with duty free exports back to the USA where consumers pay ever more for vehicles they have ever less community investment in.
Newfie wrote:The topic is protectionism, Steel in particular. By broadening the scope of discussion so much we start to loose focus on the topic. Not that those discussions are not valid, just that they distract from the point at hand. Perhaps the automation discussion is better in the Superfelous People thread?
Cog wrote:You mentioned the word owner Newfie. Is a non-owner of a company entitled to the fruits of the labor of the owner? Or in this case the owner's decision to off-shore labor?
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