Outcast_Searcher wrote:I deny that short term economic "collapse" is occurring just because self-appointed self proclaimed "experts" like armageddon or shorty make cherry picked references to isolated economic stats or oil -- especially out of context or twisted and sourced from disreputable sources.
You are also hostile even to possibility of it.
Now, WHEN have I denied that AGW is a reality? When have I stated that a slow crash won't occur or may not already be underway? I don't think I have.
I did not call you that you *are* AGW denier but I rather compared your refusal to admit that fast crash is already pending for example in California to actions of those who deny AGW despite of increasing evidence.
No doubt, things in California are looking bleak and some very different policies appear to be called for. Not that this hasn't been true for decades -- but the consequences are clearly catching up. A slow general crash or a global crash is massively different than a localized event, IMO.
Global crash will consist of many local crashes here and there.
California cannot be considered exactly "local". It has a lot of weight in US economy and troubles there can easily translate into much wider troubles.
I HAVE said repeatedly that services need to be paid for. I suspect that a much more aggressive / proactive policy re electric lines, etc. are needed in CA, and likely in general. Those NEED to be paid for. Naturally, many people won't like the bill and will want something for nothing. That's not doom -- that's human nature, as it has been for quite a few decades, rather frequently.
Electric lines failure and resulting fires are only one of countless ills present in California, which is already facing zombie hordes on streets of cities.
If it goes on like that for a decade or so (and this is very likely) then at the end someone like Duterte would be needed to attempt to restore order with absolutely no guarantee of success because organized crime may already be much stronger and police and military infiltrated by gangs to the point of being of no use.
As I have said - California already *is* facing fast crash and societal/cultural collapse as we speak.
Classic doom suitable for doomer porn.
Base on events which are going on there right know truly apocalyptic documentary thriller equaling futuristic dystopian movies from Hollywood could easily be produced.
You know, mobs of derelict drug addicts and other desperados surrounded by blackouts and miles long walls of fire. Between them some desperate souls occupied only with attempts to save their posessions and their loved ones who are about to burn alive.
Do you agree with following assertion:
"For one reason or another California is experiencing fast societal collapse and it is turning into Third World setup as we speak.
It is impossible to know right now if this transition is going to be stopped/reversed in coming decades"If you can agree with that I will not call you "denier".