Tanada wrote: But when I express a conservative viewpoint on globalism, the anti-science stances of the D party on certain topics, or a belief in national borders being a key to economic security none of my background or the way I treat other human beings matters because it is assumed I am a deplorable-racist-sexist-homophobic-mysoginist.
You need to understand that the economy of Ohio and the surrounding states was moribund from 2006-2016. However very early in 2017 things took off here in a big way. Construction went up both commercial and residential. Jobs were suddenly recruiting workers erasing the "permanent" unemployment we had been told to accept. Until Covid shut downs things here were booming in ways we had not seen since 1990. Industrial plants that were running one shift part time were suddenly running a shift full time and in some instance putting on a second shift. Every state bordering Ohio had the same thing happen from western Pennsylvania, Kentucky, West Virginia, Indiana and Michigan and beyond. This is the part of the nation where manufacturing was/is the bread and butter for the working class and for about 30 years we have been sneeringly referred to as the "rust belt" by the mainstream media because our industrial plant was being shipped off to China and we were told to accept the future as low paid service workers if we could not afford a Masters degree level education in some field most folks here have no aptitude for or they would already be following that career path.
Tanada wrote:Oh that's an easy one. I am a Christian right of center person and when I express conservative views on any subject I get labeled with the above accusations and many more as a reflex response. Not being of those viewpoints is irrelevant because the people who assume I hold them discount everything else I say using my purported illeberal positions on those issues as the basis for ignoring everything else I espouse.
Pops wrote:Tanada wrote:Oh that's an easy one. I am a Christian right of center person and when I express conservative views on any subject I get labeled with the above accusations and many more as a reflex response. Not being of those viewpoints is irrelevant because the people who assume I hold them discount everything else I say using my purported illeberal positions on those issues as the basis for ignoring everything else I espouse.
You describe exactly the conclusion I've reached after 4 years of trying to figure out trumps appeal. You say it's because of your various conservative views that people unfairly lump you in with the Republican deplorables. I think it is deeper than that. I think you feel people look down their nose at who you are not just what you say. You describe how the hoity-toity costal elites disparage all non-college blue collar workers, especially Ohioans, the "rust belt", religion, whatever conservative ideology. You feel like the underclass now.
When Clinton stole the Rs thunder by abandoning labor and new deal social democracy to tap the pockets of the new educated meritocracy, the supra-nationals and their FIRE economy, he gave the Rs no choice but to go all Gingrichy radical right—where else were they to go? Trumpublicans are what Republicans have wanted to be for 30 years, through BushCo, the tea party, freedom caucus, etc, they never wanted fiscal discipline or compassionate conservatives or Chamber of Commerce candidates like Boner and Romney. They wanted someone to make the libs cry, if nothing else to avenge their own perceived loss of station—that is trumpism and it is republicanism now.
And it has parallels in resurgent populism around the world.
That is the Doomer Outlook
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You feel like the underclass now.
Ibon wrote:You need to help me understand something here. You wrote this suggesting that Trump was responsible for this resurgence of the economy in Ohio. Where there really specific policies that came out of his administration that opened up the economy post 2016? I would be very interested to understand that and what can be preserved moving forward.
Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Ibon wrote:Being heard and validated is by the way the overwhelming message you also here from the BLM movement. As I have mentioned many times here there are disenfranchised on both sides that should be natural allies.
Pops wrote:I don't have a "black friend." I don't even know any black people. Nor any gay people. I don't volunteer, donate or march in their rallies.
But I don't vote for racist homophobes for whom division and acrimony is a strategy
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Alfred Tennyson wrote:We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
Pops wrote:I don't have a "black friend." I don't even know any black people. Nor any gay people. I don't volunteer, donate or march in their rallies.
But I don't vote for racist homophobes for whom division and acrimony is a strategy
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About 87% of Black voters nationwide chose Biden over Trump, according to preliminary national exit polling. Those early exit polls show that 19% of Black men voted for Trump, as did 9% of Black women.
An Associated Press VoteCast survey showed overall larger Black support for Biden — 90%. According to the AP survey, 12% of Black men voted for Trump, while only 6% of Black women supported him.
In Wisconsin, Trump's campaign has paid for recounts in just two counties, one of which is Milwaukee County. In Michigan, Trump personally called two Republican officials who now want to decertify the vote in Wayne County, which includes Detroit. In Pennsylvania, Trump's legal team has challenged vote-counting procedures and made unsupported allegations of fraud in two cities: Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. In Georgia, the Trump team filed a lawsuit targeting absentee ballots in Savannah, and another suit took aim at the state's ballot-curing process.
The pattern is obvious and appalling: Trump and the Republicans are trying to invalidate votes in cities with large African American populations — cities that happen to have voted overwhelmingly for Joe Biden. In effect, Trump is arguing that Black people have no right to vote him out of office.
But the most explicit repudiation of an incumbent president since FDR’s victory in 1932 makes clear that the fusion coalition the Southern Strategy was designed to crush has, nevertheless, grown in strength. Despite his promise to champion American workers as a political outsider, Trump lost to Clinton among poor and low-income Americans in 2016 by eight points. Four years later, he lost to Biden among the same demographic by 11.5 points – a 40% gain, representing millions of people who have seen through the lie of the Southern Strategy. When you consider that Trump improved over 2016 among Americans who make more than $100,000 a year, it’s clear that this crack in Trump’s imagined “populist” base was the real key to Biden’s victory. Trump lost because his explicit appeals to fear and division increased turnout among poor Black and brown people and their white allies.
This is the real reason Trump and his enablers cannot accept the results of the 2020 election: to do so would reveal that the Southern Strategy has run its course. By investing in division, Republicans have clung to power for half a century, betting on having the larger half if they could split the nation in two. But increased turnout, especially among Black, brown, Native and low-income Americans of every race, not only flipped the rust belt but also broke through the sun belt in Arizona and Georgia. Despite the obstacles of a public health crisis and intentional voter suppression, a new majority engaged the democratic process in 2020 and rejected the Southern Strategy. Republicans are standing by a delusional president because they cannot yet imagine a future apart from the imagined past they promised to white America.
OutcastPhilosopher wrote:Progress is a HOAX
Pops wrote:I don't have a "black friend." I don't even know any black people. Nor any gay people. I don't volunteer, donate or march in their rallies.
But I don't vote for racist homophobes for whom division and acrimony is a strategy
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mousepad wrote:Tanada wrote:But when I express a conservative viewpoint on globalism, the anti-science stances of the D party on certain topics, or a belief in national borders being a key to economic security none of my background or the way I treat other human beings matters because it is assumed I am a deplorable-racist-sexist-homophobic-mysoginist.
BRAVO !!!! That's exactly the way I feel.
Outcast_Searcher wrote:OutcastPhilosopher wrote:Progress is a HOAX
Yes. We still live in caves, bang on rocks, and forage berries for a living.
All that stuff about powerful computers doubling as a cell phone, GPS networks, electric cars, solar energy, jet planes, and any other technology you'd care to contemplate since written history (ironically, including writing itself) is just a conspiracy theory.
Why even bother to post such nonsense?
Big hint: Just because progress generally has some side effects and consequences (which humanity may well handle badly over time) doesn't mean REALITY DOESN'T EXIST.
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