Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:Hope is not a plan.
Exactly. Faith, hope and love, and greatest of them is love.
Do you mean that Faith, hope and love = a plan?
Does it sound like a plan? If not, then it isn't. You decide.
Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:Hope is not a plan.
Exactly. Faith, hope and love, and greatest of them is love.
Do you mean that Faith, hope and love = a plan?
MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:Hope is not a plan.
Exactly. Faith, hope and love, and greatest of them is love.
Do you mean that Faith, hope and love = a plan?
Does it sound like a plan? If not, then it isn't. You decide.
Ludi wrote:outcast wrote:It's easy to promote these ideas when your ass isn't on the line.
His ass is on the line.MonteQuest wrote:I have posted that I would not seek extraneous measures to prolong my life. No life support, treatments for cancer, organ transplants, heart surgery, etc. DNR for heart attack, etc.
Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:Hope is not a plan.
Exactly. Faith, hope and love, and greatest of them is love.
Do you mean that Faith, hope and love = a plan?
Does it sound like a plan? If not, then it isn't. You decide.
Ok then, would you explain your reply to my statement?
MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:Hope is not a plan.
Exactly. Faith, hope and love, and greatest of them is love.
Do you mean that Faith, hope and love = a plan?
Does it sound like a plan? If not, then it isn't. You decide.
Ok then, would you explain your reply to my statement?
Sorry, no can do. If you wan't and need a plan, that is your problem. My planning days are over.
outcast wrote: It's easy to promote these ideas when your ass isn't on the line.
Snik wrote:Ok, lay it on the table for us Monte. Specifically, what does get out of the way of diseases mean in your book?
thuja wrote:Monte, myself and a few others hashed this out a year or two back over 90 or 100 pages. Thread name?
In my mind there really is no way a civilized society can quickly reduce population levels to pre-fossil fuel levels voluntarily. That would take a level of cruelty that is beyond imagining.
MonteQuest wrote:thuja wrote:Monte, myself and a few others hashed this out a year or two back over 90 or 100 pages. Thread name?
Population Reduction and Rebuttal ThreadIn my mind there really is no way a civilized society can quickly reduce population levels to pre-fossil fuel levels voluntarily. That would take a level of cruelty that is beyond imagining.
Which is why there will be a die-off. The best we can accomplish is to start to reduce the population in hopes of preserving carrying capacity...not limiting the die-off.
What we need to preserve is the ability of our ecosystem to support us after the die-off, not the population in overshoot.
Does anyone really think that we won't burn everything that burns and kill everything that can be eaten?
We are going to resort to the "takeover" method.
Biofools is just the first salvo.
Snik wrote:MonteQuest wrote:Snik wrote:Ok, lay it on the table for us Monte. Specifically, what does get out of the way of diseases mean in your book?
Stop trying to save everyone.
Let our predators return, The biggest single factor in preventing sustained population growth has been infectious diseases. They were our human predator, and they helped to keep our population in check.
Disease can be looked upon as man’s keystone predator. “Keystone predator” is an ecological term used to describe the basic principle by which a predator may be a balancing force on an ecosystem. For this reason, special care must be taken with identified keystone predators to keep them from being hunted out of an ecosystem. Other than in some vials in a lab at the CDC, many of man’s keystone predators are extinct; others are of little consequence. Yes, we are no longer plagued with the evils of disease, but that was nature’s way of controlling our numbers and insuring a strong gene pool. Predators usually capture the old, crippled, sick, or very young animals. Very rarely are healthy adults caught and killed. In this way, only the strongest and healthiest animals are left to reproduce. Over long periods of time, predation actually improves the health of the prey population.
Just so I can be clear on this, I am guessing you are talking about things like Smallpox? That's the only one I can think of right off the top of my head that is actually "extinct"; the other ones that come to mind, like Polio, are largely under control, but not extinct.
Snik wrote:Snik wrote:MonteQuest wrote:Snik wrote:Ok, lay it on the table for us Monte. Specifically, what does get out of the way of diseases mean in your book?
Stop trying to save everyone.
Let our predators return, The biggest single factor in preventing sustained population growth has been infectious diseases. They were our human predator, and they helped to keep our population in check.
Disease can be looked upon as man’s keystone predator. “Keystone predator” is an ecological term used to describe the basic principle by which a predator may be a balancing force on an ecosystem. For this reason, special care must be taken with identified keystone predators to keep them from being hunted out of an ecosystem. Other than in some vials in a lab at the CDC, many of man’s keystone predators are extinct; others are of little consequence. Yes, we are no longer plagued with the evils of disease, but that was nature’s way of controlling our numbers and insuring a strong gene pool. Predators usually capture the old, crippled, sick, or very young animals. Very rarely are healthy adults caught and killed. In this way, only the strongest and healthiest animals are left to reproduce. Over long periods of time, predation actually improves the health of the prey population.
Just so I can be clear on this, I am guessing you are talking about things like Smallpox? That's the only one I can think of right off the top of my head that is actually "extinct"; the other ones that come to mind, like Polio, are largely under control, but not extinct.
I'm still curious about what other diseases we have wiped out, but I guess it's not that important.
What I was getting at in the question about specifics is how do you go about getting these "keystone" predators back into play, and what do you mean specifically by "stop trying to save everyone"? I think I know what you are inferring, but I don't want to jump to incorrect conclusions.
Homesteader wrote:Why can't you explain your statement?
Why do you think I want or need a plan?
Why do you think I was asking you for help with a plan?
What is your definition of sustainability?
MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:Why can't you explain your statement?
Good question. Lack of understanding?Why do you think I want or need a plan?
Don't know if you do. Do you?Why do you think I was asking you for help with a plan?
I don't know if you did. What is your interest in plans?What is your definition of sustainability?
I don't have one. Perhaps a dictionary or wikipedia could provide a definition?
Snik wrote: What I was getting at in the question about specifics is how do you go about getting these "keystone" predators back into play, and what do you mean specifically by "stop trying to save everyone"? I think I know what you are inferring, but I don't want to jump to incorrect conclusions.
Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:Why can't you explain your statement?
Good question. Lack of understanding?Why do you think I want or need a plan?
Don't know if you do. Do you?Why do you think I was asking you for help with a plan?
I don't know if you did. What is your interest in plans?What is your definition of sustainability?
I don't have one. Perhaps a dictionary or wikipedia could provide a definition?
Is anyone surprised?
Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:Hope is not a plan.
Exactly. Faith, hope and love, and greatest of them is love.
Do you mean that Faith, hope and love = a plan?
Does it sound like a plan? If not, then it isn't. You decide.
Ok then, would you explain your reply to my statement?
Sorry, no can do. If you wan't and need a plan, that is your problem. My planning days are over.
Why can't you explain your statement? Why do you think I want or need a plan? Why do you think I was asking you for help with a plan? What is your definition of sustainability?
Homesteader wrote:Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:Hope is not a plan.
Exactly. Faith, hope and love, and greatest of them is love.
Do you mean that Faith, hope and love = a plan?
Does it sound like a plan? If not, then it isn't. You decide.
Ok then, would you explain your reply to my statement?
Sorry, no can do. If you wan't and need a plan, that is your problem. My planning days are over.
Why can't you explain your statement? Why do you think I want or need a plan? Why do you think I was asking you for help with a plan? What is your definition of sustainability?
So again, Beanie old boy, how do you feel your strategy of pleading ignorance and asking the question back is working for you? Specifically.
MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:MrBean wrote:Homesteader wrote:Hope is not a plan.
Exactly. Faith, hope and love, and greatest of them is love.
Do you mean that Faith, hope and love = a plan?
Does it sound like a plan? If not, then it isn't. You decide.
Ok then, would you explain your reply to my statement?
Sorry, no can do. If you wan't and need a plan, that is your problem. My planning days are over.
Why can't you explain your statement? Why do you think I want or need a plan? Why do you think I was asking you for help with a plan? What is your definition of sustainability?
So again, Beanie old boy, how do you feel your strategy of pleading ignorance and asking the question back is working for you? Specifically.
Differently with each case, can't say beforehand. With you we've created by our performance theater a master piece of absurd comedy, devoid of any meaning. You have my permission to sell it to Hollywood.
MonteQuest wrote:Snik wrote: What I was getting at in the question about specifics is how do you go about getting these "keystone" predators back into play, and what do you mean specifically by "stop trying to save everyone"? I think I know what you are inferring, but I don't want to jump to incorrect conclusions.
Read the many threads on it. I posted a link to the main one.
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