[AgentR]

I believe the reason the AGW crowd has said there is no debate needed is because it is occurring and needs stopped.

There will be no "stopping" GW.
That boat left a while ago.

Adapt or die.

[mos6507]

Adapt or die.

So we're going to have to learn to breathe hydrogen sulfide?

[AgentR]

Adapt or die.

So we're going to have to learn to breathe hydrogen sulfide?

Note the... "or die" part.

[Zardoz]

Oh, but it's all just part of the natural cycles, right?

Cracks had been earlier found on Ward Hunt; 'more could go' this summer

Giant sheets of ice totaling almost eight square miles broke off an ice shelf in the Canadian Arctic last week and more could follow later this year, scientists said on Tuesday.

In a development consistent with climate change theories, the enormous icy plain broke free sometime last week and began slowly drifting into the Arctic Ocean. The piece had been a part of the shelf for 3,000 years.

...Ellesmere Island was once home to a single enormous ice shelf totaling around 3,500 square miles. All that is left of that shelf today are five much smaller shelves that together cover just under 400 square miles.

[eXpat]

Bah, is the effect of the underwater volcanoes, sun's regular cycles, and cows' farting and burping, all wrapped together, nothing to do with climate change.

[coyote]

I thought the name sounded familiar. The Ward Hunt is on Ellesmere Island, right next to the Ayles ice shelf that split off a few years ago and formed that ice island the size of Manhattan.

Methinks this island will lose more, perhaps eventually all. Conjecture.

[Armageddon]

Bah, is the effect of the underwater volcanoes, sun's regular cycles, and cows' farting and burping, all wrapped together, nothing to do with climate change.

Mr. Ostrich, is that you ?

[GregWatson]

Methinks this island will lose more, perhaps eventually all

Me thinks there is now many kms of open water lapping at the pole side face of those ice selfs.
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Greg

[joewp]

Bah, is the effect of the underwater volcanoes, sun's regular cycles, and cows' farting and burping, all wrapped together, nothing to do with climate change.

Mr. Ostrich, is that you ?

Nah, that's Mr. Sarcasm.

Or so I hope, right???

[CarlosFerreira]

I thought the name sounded familiar. The Ward Hunt is on Ellesmere Island, right next to the Ayles ice shelf that split off a few years ago and formed that ice island the size of Manhattan. Methinks this island will lose more, perhaps eventually all. Conjecture.

I have absolutely no data to conjecture, but a logical feedback system says that, as that ice melts, it reflects less energy back outside the atmosphere, and methane (greenhouse effect gas) that was melted is released, making it worse. Perhaps the curbing of usage of oil will help some here? Or is it too little yet?

[ProudFossil]

Give me a break.

Eight square miles is gigantic? We have had four forest fires within the last nine months that were bigger than eight square miles within ten miles of our house. Maybe all that smoke raised the world's temperature enough to melt all that ENORMOUS ice sheet.

That is like the Democrats claiming that drilling in ANWR will ruin the planet.

[coyote]

Perhaps the curbing of usage of oil will help some here? Or is it too little yet?

That is the big question, isn't it? Whether peak oil will help or hurt the warming situation. Balance decreased emissions from oil against: probable increased emissions from coal; reversal of global dimming; and today's CO2 remaining in the atmosphere for decades. Who knows? Knife's edge.

[ProudFossil]

Isn't Mother Nature wonderful. You lose eight square miles of Canada, you get eight square miles of Bangladesh.

I am referring to the two adjacent news articles, the first claiming disaster because eight square miles have dropped of Canada and the next one saying Bangladesh as grown by eight square miles.

Is this a result of the physical property that energy (in the form of mass) can never be lost? This also is against the mantra of algore that the oceans will rise 20 feet. Eight square miles of ice melt and yet Bangladesh is now higher out of the water? Give me a break.

[eXpat]

Bah, is the effect of the underwater volcanoes, sun's regular cycles, and cows' farting and burping, all wrapped together, nothing to do with climate change.

Mr. Ostrich, is that you ?

Nah, that's Mr. Sarcasm. Or so I hope, right???

Right you are there, sarcasm big time .

[CarlosFerreira]

Isn't Mother Nature wonderful. You lose eight square miles of Canada, you get eight square miles of Bangladesh.
I am referring to the two adjacent news articles, the first claiming disaster because eight square miles have dropped of Canada and the next one saying Bangladesh as grown by eight square miles.
Is this a result of the physical property that energy (in the form of mass) can never be lost? This also is against the mantra of algore that the oceans will rise 20 feet. Eight square miles of ice melt and yet Bangladesh is now higher out of the water? Give me a break.

Hmmm, interesting fact. I wonder how did that happen?

The fact that we're depleting forest can't be helping in with the CO2 extraction from the atmosphere. On the other hand, more water absorbs more CO2, or so I heard somewhere.

[Zardoz]

Give me a break.

That ice is 3000 years old. That's the significance of it.

[ProudFossil]

Give me a break.

That ice is 3000 years old. That's the significance of it.

The area now called Bagladesh is several million years old. That is the significance of it. And the article says that growth is annual not a once in a 3,000 year event. Seems to me there is more of a trend in an anuual growth than once in a 3,000 year event.

Concentration for May 1980 and May 2008 (See Important Update below) From the National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado. Note that the total is 10.9 million square kilometers for both years. All the while CO2 levels have gone up.

At the other side of the planet the Antarctic is still experiencing record ice. Since 1980 total ice concentration is up 35% and ice extent is up 21%.

The last time I used my calculator 20 square kilometers (8 square miles) is about WHOOPS!!!! my calculator cannot handle that small of a percentage. Sorry about that. Anyway we are doomed I guess.

8 square miles, BFD.

[dohboi]

Trolls are out roaming again.

You can't even spell "Bagladesh." How likely is it that you really know anything about it? And wtf does it have to do with the Arctic?

Anyone who has spent a few moments looking into it and thinking about it would know that total ice is being lost in the Antarctic, but most of the loss is happening underwater. Either you know this and are misrepresenting the data deliberately, or you do not know it and are just an idiot aping the latest from Rush Limbaugh.

Either way, I have no more time for you.

Best of luck in your denialist state. Every major established scientific body in the world who has weighed in on the question has determined that that rapid recent increase in global warming is a major threat and is caused by humans.

You are a Japaniese soldier stranded on a remote island of the Pacific still fighting WWII. Get a life.

[Ludi]

Perhaps the curbing of usage of oil will help some here? Or is it too little yet?

What curbing of oil usage?

[CarlosFerreira]

Perhaps the curbing of usage of oil will help some here? Or is it too little yet?

What curbing of oil usage?

Any curbing, I guess. Less personal transportation as we're seeing in Portugal and (there's stats out there), the US. I know it's just a few percent, but a decrease in usage is better than an increase. Perhaps the cuts in China because of the Olympics can help too.

Maybe I'm just being cornucopian about GW. Sorry if I was feeding the troll.