TommyJefferson wrote:deMolay wrote:If or when the US Gubmint does default, what would that unlease upon our heads?
Governments cannot default because they have the legal authority to extract wealth from their citizens and the guns to back it up.
Citizens can be raped into poverty, but governments cannot default.
That is 110% CORRECT! If you're name appears in CAPITAL LETTERS on your passport and/or your land title, the government has made you a corporate entity to itself, and can by legal authority at anytime place you into slave servitude (ie. tax you to death) or take your land and there is nothing short of insurrection to stop them. It has been done countless times in the past, and it will happen again.
The only way to stop the government at that point is to overthrow it, remove those in power, and re-instate a new government. This too has been done countless times in the past, and it will happen again. Perhaps in our lifetime, who knows.
However 200 years from then it will happen all over again, but we'll be all dust by then anyways. Until there is complete social evolution and the elimination of monetary instruments, this will always happen again and again.
You can always run into the bush and try to live off the land however 390,000,000 people (Canada and the U.S.) can't do it all at once. It's been done before they are called cities. And you can't relinquish your SSN or SIN or passport and you can't own land without a title so in a sense as silly as it sounds, like in the Matrix: "you were born into servitude."
As I have said I think about 6 other times here already, if the government wants to get out of debt, it is never ever worried about it because it will simply take it from it's citizens, businesses, churches, etc. It will simply in act laws to make it so. What do you think this $700 billion package is?
The only way this is going to stop at this point is for wholesale denial of paying your taxes and armed conflict preparation at the same time. Because when people stop paying their taxes on a massive scale, the government will come with guns as the previous poster said and either kill you or force you to pay AFTER they have taken your land. You'd have to be ready for that. The problem is about 99.5% of the U.S. (and Canadian) public are dumbed down Sheeple and there simply isn't enough enlightened people yet (and may not ever happen) to make a difference anymore. We are an island in a Sea of Idiots. And our governments know this already.
I know I have condemned people for saying this here before, but at times it seems the wholesale destruction of society (not the world) through Peak Oil or whatever else seems like the only way to end this madness, and I guess sometimes I understand how the Peakers want things to fall apart NOW because this stuff is happening NOW. It seems social decimation, not pro-active solutions is the only way to fix things now.
Who knows, maybe I am wrong. However I haven't seen a Million Man/Woman march on Washington so the proof is in the pudding. Maybe Americans want it this way I don't know. Sorry if this offends Americans and I am not trying to trounce on Americans, their flag, or their country. If the same thing happened here in Canada I'd criticize my own people too. (and we deserve it at times) I personally don't want to see this $700 billion dollar package to go through because it will become a benchmark for any other country to do the same thing and will only push us closer to a World Government and all that tinfoil crap Alex Jones yaks about all the time. I am worried for my kids and their kids.