cube wrote:Snowrunner wrote:Dog eat dog then?
hmm? That's kinda funny. That's what I always thought of liberals.
In what sense?
Snowrunner wrote:Dunno, we had community driven efforts before and from what I have read the numbers of "slackers" that essentially smooch of the State are far less than the popular opinion claims.
Lets not get coy here. There's a difference between community driven efforts and government effort. You know what I'm talking about. You're just uncomfortable with the fact that your political ideology (that you believe in so dearly) will get thrown in the trash and there's nothing that can stop it.[/quote]
You're jumping over quite a few walls here to get to your conclusion.
I do not have an ideology per-se, I do have certain parameters in which I would like the world to go, but that is a mix of a variety of political ideologies.
Simply put: Ideologies don't work, they would require that everybody has the same ideology and that will never be the case, as such all we can strive for is an approximation.
I AM for "Government Handouts" to people because someone who is fed is less likely to try and steal from me to eat. This doesn't mean though that I don't think we need checks and balances, my opinion is complicated and as I am cooking right now I really don't have the time or muse to actually type it all out (besides, this would be a long thing).
Snowrunner wrote:But who knows, it won't be pretty, how many people lived in the developed world during the great depression? How many now?
I'm not sure what your getting at here?
The point is that any comparison to how people coped during the Great Depression (or even the Recession back in the 70s) and how this will be "overcome" in a similar fashion is most likely flawed, the world is different (much different) than it was even 30 years ago. We are entering uncertain times and I do think that we do require someone in Leadership that has the will and the guts to make decisions that aren't popular and go "against the grain". And yes, that could mean things like Roosevelts New Deal for the US.
If that fails, then these leaders will rise locally and that would for certain mean the end of world as we know it.
Snowrunner wrote:I guess we can assume a large part of the difference will not make it.
80% die-off. That's what my crystal ball tells me
Quite possible, the question is in what time frame and where. China and India are good starting points, but I think North America and Europe will pay dearly as well, the first one probably more so, simply on how spread out society is and how JIT reliant.