Do you believe that the crash is planned?
Zardoz wrote:Do you believe that the crash is planned?
Key word here being "believe", of course. Man, we just have to think that there's guidance, form, and direction to everything, don't we? We're compelled to feel that somehow all events are being controlled.
We can't handle the truth: We live in a maelstrom of chaos. Very little of anything is under anybody's control. Evolution happens randomly. Events spin out of control. The course of history can be radically diverted by any random event or development, at any time, for any reason, or for no good reason whatsoever.
The uncertainty of it all is way more than we can handle, so we dream up all sorts of belief systems and conspiracy theories to counter it. We convince ourselves that forces are at work to guide things because we can't emotionally deal with the concept of chaos.
No. Nobody planned this. Nobody is in charge. Nobody has any control over it.
That's the worst thing about it, and the idea of such a concept is so deeply frightening to most of us that we adopt beliefs in conspiracies like we adopt beliefs in religions.
mos6507 wrote:I will bookmark this post and refer to it often. It's a masterpiece.Zardoz wrote:Key word here being "believe", of course. Man, we just have to think that there's guidance, form, and direction to everything, don't we? We're compelled to feel that somehow all events are being controlled.Do you believe that the crash is planned?
We can't handle the truth: We live in a maelstrom of chaos. Very little of anything is under anybody's control. Evolution happens randomly. Events spin out of control. The course of history can be radically diverted by any random event or development, at any time, for any reason, or for no good reason whatsoever.
The uncertainty of it all is way more than we can handle, so we dream up all sorts of belief systems and conspiracy theories to counter it. We convince ourselves that forces are at work to guide things because we can't emotionally deal with the concept of chaos.
No. Nobody planned this. Nobody is in charge. Nobody has any control over it.
That's the worst thing about it, and the idea of such a concept is so deeply frightening to most of us that we adopt beliefs in conspiracies like we adopt beliefs in religions.
Zardoz wrote:blah blah blah...The uncertainty of it all is way more than we can handle, so we dream up all sorts of belief systems and conspiracy theories to counter it. We convince ourselves that forces are at work to guide things because we can't emotionally deal with the concept of chaos.
blah blah some more... That's the worst thing about it, and the idea of such a concept is so deeply frightening to most of us that we adopt beliefs in conspiracies like we adopt beliefs in religions.
jupiters_release wrote:Patterns and forms are heavier than chaos within the wasteland and nihilism of industrial society, and we can never really create beauty until we witness ourselves in this fabric.
oswald622 wrote:Zardoz wrote:blah blah blah... blah blah some more...
This is probably the most effective kind of ad hominem argument in existence: it's so annoying, so patronizing and so self-righteous that only the best-disciplined and most self-controlled interlocutors can control their anger impulses and craft reasonable responses.
Blueberry wrote:The ideas of chaos and conspiracy are not mutually exlusive.
For instance, why did Schwarzeneger meet with Ken Lay before he was nominated for the Republican governorship in CA?
Ken Lay's employees had been ordering power plants under CA's newly privatized system to close -- creating rolling black outs, high energy prices (and amazing profits!!) -- oh, and also a little problem with the constituents for democratic G. Davis.
There is such a thing as chaos in the system. Maybe the system is chaos, I don't know if that is the fundamental "ground" of everything but it sounds pretty close to it to me.
But the fact remains that within our systems that are perhaps ultimately governed by chaos, oportunists will try to sway things to their own advantage, ie Bush invading Iraq with certain expectations.
There are some very clever and educated oportunists who band together and try to sway things in choas to their personal favor -- using any legal or illegal means necessary -- including changing laws to make things legal or exploiting loopholes in the laws. These same people try to keep their actions hidden or disguised for the same reason.
Conspiracy is all around us, we all conspire in chaos on some level, I believe, depending on how the definition is read.
Sometimes it is successful, sometimes it is not -- sometimes we find out about it, sometimes we don't.
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