However,
life-cycle analysis of all inputs
Virtually impossible to calculate with any meaningful accuracy.
and
amortized over the life of the production
So you won't know what the eroei is until the field is dead.
Very useful.
life-cycle analysis of all inputs
amortized over the life of the production
pstarr wrote:You keep saying it is impossible because it is time consuming and technical. The method is hierarchical. You start with cement, steel, copper, etc. (already done). So for example once the energy cost of pipe (and laying it) is calculated, the value is saved and made available in database form, and can be extrapolated to all size pipes and all collection and delivery systems. Same with valves, etc. up the chain to towers, refineries etc. And human laborMaddog78 wrote:Yeah, sure, whatever you say.
However,life-cycle analysis of all inputs
Virtually impossible to calculate with any meaningful accuracy.
andamortized over the life of the production
So you won't know what the eroei is until the field is dead.
Very useful.
Then if that is too much trouble there are models that are reasonable. Try Cutler and Cleveland. The claims you make for impossibility result of never considering the need in the past. Have you checked out Pimentel? Industrial Ecology is a new science but necessary as externalities (pollution, energy costs and loss, etc.) have overwhelmed profits.
As for you amortized comment. I don't believe anyone suggested net-energy analysis as a tool to measure individual wells or fields as an specific investment tool. It is for unconventional methods and applied against known processes, historical events to judge future worth.
You keep saying it is impossible because it is time consuming and technical. The method is hierarchical. You start with cement, steel, copper, etc. (already done). So for example once the energy cost of pipe (and laying it) is calculated, the value is saved and made available in database form, and can be extrapolated to all size pipes and all collection and delivery systems. Same with valves, etc. up the chain to towers, refineries etc. And human labor
pstarr wrote:Money is only a approximation,
Maddog78 wrote:amortized over the life of the production
So you won't know what the eroei is until the field is dead.
Very useful.
Nefarious wrote:You can't save a value in a data base because the value is changing every time.
pstarr wrote: So the time is approaching when a super-efficient solar homestead (like mine) will be more "valuable" then a 5,000 sq. ft. energy-sucking mcmansion. Energy analysis will tell you that right now, not current real estate valuations.
shortonsense wrote:And considering that nearly all the cost of the heating and cooling of the house will be natural gas dependent rather than crude dependent, and we have supplies of that for a couple centuries or so, it might not be a smart move to bet the farm on the value of your place just yet.
mos6507 wrote:shortonsense wrote:And considering that nearly all the cost of the heating and cooling of the house will be natural gas dependent rather than crude dependent, and we have supplies of that for a couple centuries or so, it might not be a smart move to bet the farm on the value of your place just yet.
At least here in New England that will come at the cost of a large amount of new infrastructure. Most homes here are heated with fuel oil and gas service is unusual in most towns. A lot of power plants around here run on gas, though. I remember an oil drum piece predicting doom for New England's electricity supply due to that. That was pre shale gas, of course.
shortonsense wrote:Plus Simmons was talking up some investments this spring about windmills for Maine...he was claiming they would power the entire state, and make more than enough ammonia on the side to power all the transport in the state as well.
Now thats my kind of Corny!
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